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Gus
6th-July-2004, 10:37 PM
Have always wabted to run a really smart freestyle ... you know the type, like Jon Brett's Glitter Balls ... major light and sound system, quality venue with huge sprung floor, best invited DJs etc .etc. Found a venue that fitted the bill ... but slight problem ... a hire charge of £5000 :(

So ... back to the drawing board ... as MJers are well known for being tight fisted ... they would never pay a 'going' rate for a quality do ... all they want is some local church hall (a dance is just a dnace) ... or do they?

So ... what would you pay for a seriously good event?

TheTramp
7th-July-2004, 01:26 AM
Well. I think that the last time I went to the Glitterball, it was £30. And if I had it, I'd pay that to go again.

But for that, I'd probably want a great venue. 2am finish (at least). Food (Buffet). Coffee at the end.

JB used to put on a band too. But I'd forego that for a great DJ (or two).

Trampy

Gadget
7th-July-2004, 08:33 AM
I don't think it matters too much about the venue - as long as you get the right atmosphere;
'guest' passes (or discounts) to a few dance gods, some good music, refreshments on hand, the music played at the right volume, open 'till chucked out,...

I would say you want more of a 'party' atmosphere than a 'night-out' atmosphere; sort of stay up till 4am sitting on the stairs chatting type of party. :waycool: But I think that it's the people who would make it so rather than anything to do with the venue.

philsmove
7th-July-2004, 11:16 AM
But slight problem ... a hire charge of £5000

But how many people can you fit in

250 dancers @ £25 would cover the cost

£25 for a first class venue with an excellent light and sound system, a huge sprung floor, with the best DJs and a late finish is not unreasonable


I don't think it matters too much about the venue - as long as you get the right atmosphere;

It’s the venue that helps creates the atmosphere. Any one who has been to The Coal Exchange Cardiff will know what I’m talking about :cheers:


What do other people think are important ingredients

Live Band?

Food?

£10 is a cheap night out

A meal out with a few pre and post dinner drinks is going to cost at least £25

Alfie
7th-July-2004, 11:24 AM
I've organised and run events in two imposing if slightly run down statley homes over the past five years. Usually for a charity or a special occasion.
We've had D.Js, live music, piped music, food, snacks, exceptionally cheap bars with no charges for water.

I've done them for as little as three pounds, or donation to charity or evan free. At some there has been dancing till five am.
They have always been set up to be more social events than freestyles, balls as opposed to just dances with people dressing up and having fun.

I'll be the first to admit that they were not always as successful as we would of liked but I always tried to listen to peoples feed back and improve the next event or try something different although some of the final decissions were not made by me. I liked to see people enjoy themselves.

We had problems with the cold on a couple of occasions and the actual locations were not easy to get to but most of the events were enjoyed by those who attended (I hope).
But as any one who organises large or different dance events will tell you the rewards are few compared to the ammount of hard work that goes in to them.

I've found that the dancing community at large want cheap freestyles that offer value for money with good music. I dont think venue really matters. Its about the people and the atmosphere generated on the night. Alot of people just want to turn up meet their friends and dance the night away without any hassles. It appears to be a freestyle mindset now, music, low lights and open space for dancing. Who needs light shows and oppulant rooms. I don,t think dancers at large care about anything special as they only go to dance and dont seem to need or want to pay for anything extra.

Lounge Lizard
7th-July-2004, 11:32 AM
But how many people can you fit in

250 dancers @ £25 would cover the cost

£25 for a first class venue with an excellent light and sound system, a huge sprung floor, with the best DJs and a late finish is not unreasonable

Ok my last dance in Eastbourne

PA - 3600w sound system, 8 speakers, three amps full mixing desk, dennon decks

Lighting - none of the house lights were on, I use -Martin ego 3, chemeleon, chaos and arcan lighting, plus candles on every table.

Venue - local town hall, sprung floor, high ceiling, ornate decorations, sweeping staircase to hall, table cloths and decent chairs

Extra's - Free soft drings bar ALL night - just help yourself. Free bottles of mineral water on each table,
Free Ice cream and chocolate (after eight, matchmakers & maltesers) at 10.30, No bar but welcome to BYO alchol.
Dance finished at midnight

Music - well I was the DJ, playing from CD collection to suit the dancers (not a pre recorded MP3 or mini disc in sight)

It took over 2 hours to set up and 1 hour to clear

Capacity of venue 150 - 200 Cost £7.50.....number of dancers 42

This was my second dance in Eastbourne where I provided the above, the first dance we had less numbers as the locals drove 25 miles to a Brighton dance offering free entry before 9.00.

So sometimes it is not what you provide, dancers follow dancers

At Rock n Roll nights you pay about £5 and get a live band on a dance night, why is MJ more expensive in comparrisom?
LL

eastmanjohn
7th-July-2004, 11:41 AM
I run the LeRoc ball in Weston-super-Mare every year. This year is our 15th year. Every year it sells out. Every year we get fantastic feedback. It's black-tie in a fantastic venue fully decorated (takes all day), we have a free drinks reception, sit-down meal, live band, cabaret, great DJ, side shows, fun casino, photographer, late finish, free water, subsidised coaches, charity raffle (with great prizes). All profits go to charity (usually about £2000 including raffle takings etc). We pretty much sell out before the date where ticket price increases. Last year it was £30/£35. 400 people all having a great time and no complaints about the price. I guess it depends what you get for your money. This year's event on December 11th.

www.cliftonleroc.co.uk (http://www.cliftonleroc.co.uk)

ChrisA
7th-July-2004, 11:52 AM
I answered "Whatever it costs" because it's such a difficult question to answer. Comparing it with a meal out and drinks is wrong, I think, since you know exactly what you're getting if you go out for a meal, and unless you get a bad or overpriced meal, the total experience usually matches your expectations.

With a freestyle night out, so many of the factors that make for a truly magical night are totally unpredictable, so for me to chance £30, say, on a freestyle night, I would have to be pretty sure of the product.

The thing that makes for a fantastic night for me is great dancers, great music, and plenty of space to dance in. If I could guarantee that then I would be prepared to pay a lot more than £20 for an occasional special night.

The very best freestyle night I can remember was when I had the great honour and pleasure of being invited to a wedding anniversary celebration, where most of the guests were dancers, the venue was fab, the music was great, and practically every single dance was wonderful. My thanks once again to my host that night :cheers: :worthy:

Ironically, it cost me virtually nothing, but I would pay a lot to recreate a magical night like that.

Sadly, of course, freestyle nights are rarely like that. The ones with the best venues and music are usually packed, so the experience is very mixed. If I get yanked about, crashed into, have to spend much of my efforts protecting my partners from injury, end up inhibited in my dancing and frustrated, it may be that only 5% of the night is good - so worth much less to me.

A difficult one. Why do I do it? :confused:

Like the little girl who had a little curl... when it's good it's very very good - but when it's bad it's horrid.

Chris

Andy McGregor
7th-July-2004, 12:22 PM
I go for quality every time. But it's quality of partner, floor and music. If any of these is a bit short my bar-stool of dance is very wobbly.

Earlier in the year I decided to take things into my own hands and have some parties for dancers. We held it on a Friday and invited people Sue and I enjoy dancing with, found a venue with a good floor (fire capacity 160), and played music Sue and I like dancing to. We invited just over 100 people thinking half would turn up - we had 92! Everyone seemed to love the night, but it was a bit crowded so we invited a few less the next time and had 60 - again everyone loved the night. Each night cost us well over £100 to put on so we paid over £50 each, but we had a good, fun night and thought we got good value.

People asked if we could do more of them and pay - so we held a raffle, which covered the cost of the night and we all still had a fabulous time.

We only stopped because Viktor started teaching down the road on a Friday with John Miller as DJ - so we stopped holding the parties on Fridays because we didn't want to do anything to stop Viktor's night going well.

So, as far as I'm concerned, your time is your most valuably commodity. I'd be willing to pay more to guarantee a good night - but there are other nights which I would have paid to have avoided. As Jules and Hev-mate found when I bumped into them at a dance recently:tears:

Martin
7th-July-2004, 10:19 PM
I say put on an expensive, cool event and charge as much as you like - as long as you let visitors from Aussie in for free..... :cheers:

TheTramp
8th-July-2004, 01:45 AM
But how many people can you fit in

250 dancers @ £25 would cover the cost
Well. That would only cover the cost of the hall. If Gus is providing food or anything else - even chocolates and candles on the table. Or a DJ to share or do the night. Or guest teachers etc. Then you've got advertising, printing tickets, person on door etc. That would add more to the cost.

Not to mention that since Gus does this as a business, he'd no doubt like to make some money out of doing it too (not unreasonably).....!!

Trampy

under par
8th-July-2004, 02:19 AM
But how many people can you fit in

250 dancers @ £25 would cover the cost

£25 for a first class venue with an excellent light and sound system, a huge sprung floor, with the best DJs and a late finish is not unreasonable



It’s the venue that helps creates the atmosphere. Any one who has been to The Coal Exchange Cardiff will know what I’m talking about :cheers:


What do other people think are important ingredients

Live Band?

Food?

£10 is a cheap night out

A meal out with a few pre and post dinner drinks is going to cost at least £25


Food certainly doesn't enter the equation for me. :angry: Get all that sorted out at home. Give yourself time to digest before you dance the night away.

Make it a DJ every time. :drool: Have been to events with live bands, although all very talented, for a dance evening I want to hear my favourite tracks sung by the artist , at the right tempo,and with not so many breaks between songs. :angry:

There is a time and a place for live bands.......its called a concert! :whistle:


A good floor and a pleasant venue are important as is the venue being a no smoking venue.

The most important item for a good night out is lots of enthusiastic jivers all willing to dance with everybody else.............. :yeah: and goood music of course!!

Andy McGregor
8th-July-2004, 10:07 AM
Make it a DJ every time. :drool: Have been to events with live bands, although all very talented, for a dance evening I want to hear my favourite tracks sung by the artist , at the right tempo,and with not so many breaks between songs.

I agree with Mr Par. As an example, I love the Party Weekender format: great accommodation, relaxed atmosphere, a crowd you can get to know because there's only hundreds not 1,500+, and Darren is a really nice guy, and his gorgeous wife fancies me:innocent: BUT they have bands, all good bands but often playing fast R&R. So I've stopped going:tears:

I think the difference is that you can always sit out the odd track that isn't to your taste. But when a band doesn't suit you you're sitting out most of the night - and paying extra for the priviledge! I've made the mistake of listening to someone's advice regarding a band too many times. On the odd occasion I like what a band plays, - but is it worth risking a wasted and frustrating night? So now I avoid any night with a band.

I say book a good DJ with a following:clap:

Rachel
8th-July-2004, 10:13 AM
I totally agree with Under Par. For me, my list of priorities is: 1. music that I like, 2. decent floor, 3. at least one nice person to dance with.

I am totally not bothered whether or not I have glamorous surroundings, food, live band, candles, coffee at the end of the night, or even a bar ...

At the end of the day, I'm going out to dance and I'll only want to dance if there's music that makes me want to dance and someone to dance with. That's all.

So I'd really prefer not to pay extra for things I'm not bothered about. Of course, if money was no object, then I'd pay the 'whatever it happens to cost' .... Unfortuantely, money is a consideration - and all those 'niceties' at an event are no more likely to make me choose to go there than the local village hall.

Rachel

Rachel
8th-July-2004, 10:16 AM
Oh, completely forgot to say - there is one thing that really draws me to an event and makes me more than willing to pay 'whatever it costs' - the chance to watch spectacular displays of other people dancing, i.e. good cabarets, or competitions such as the Jive Masters.
R.

Minnie M
8th-July-2004, 11:30 AM
I agree with Mr Par. As an example, I love the Party Weekender format: great accommodation, relaxed atmosphere, a crowd you can get to know because there's only hundreds not 1,500+, and Darren is a really nice guy, and his gorgeous wife fancies me:innocent: BUT they have bands, all good bands but often playing fast R&R. So I've stopped going.........

:sad: Bit unfair Andy - they only have ONE R&R band and they play 'jiveable' music 90% of their set - the only 'fast' playing bands are the swing ones and their sets are in the afternoon for the Lindyhoppers. The othjer 'evening' bands are either 'soul' or 'sixties' or 'partytype' bands - Darren (The Jive Club) teaches modern jive and his weekenders cater for MJ dancers and their families (yes children ARE allowed) Party Weekender (http://www.partyweekender.com)

The dance floor is ALWAYS very full in the evenings and the majority of dances are MJ - surey that says something.

You are to be forgiven for your comments as you have not been for a couple of years

Andy McGregor
8th-July-2004, 11:46 AM
You are to be forgiven for your comments as you have not been for a couple of years

It was almost all R&R bands the last time I went. If they've changed to bands we can MJ to I think I'll go again:flower:

BUT, as Under Par says, why not have DJs playing a great mix of tunes then there'll be no doubt:clap:

IMHO we don't need live music for MJ, we're there to dance, not watch and listen. I'd still pay the same amount as the Party Weekenders are good value - and Darren could make a bigger profit to squander on his lovely wife:flower:

TheTramp
8th-July-2004, 11:58 AM
Ah.....

But, from what I've observed, a lot of people do go to the Party weekenders for the live bands, and not as much for the dancing.

My experience of them, is that they are less about dancing than events such as Camber or Southport, and more about the 'social' aspects - hence having few classes.

The main problem that I've had with Party Weekenders (and I'm surprised that YOU haven't picked up on this Andy), is that (previously at least) there is no restriction on smoking, and since a fair few of the folk aren't dancers - or at least, aren't hard-core dancers, there's a lot more smoke in the air than you'd usually find at even smoking-allowed venues.

I don't mind live bands - quite like them for a change occasionally. They do quite often add to the atmosphere. Though, I'd agree that they aren't a requirement :D

Trampy

eastmanjohn
8th-July-2004, 12:26 PM
This might be a different thread, but which particular bands do MJ dancers like? We have had quite a few over the years and there was in the early years a complaint about music being too fast, but there are a lot of bands now who cater for the MJ scene and will slow the set down appropriately. Which are your favourites?

Andy McGregor
8th-July-2004, 12:57 PM
The main problem that I've had with Party Weekenders (and I'm surprised that YOU haven't picked up on this Andy), is that (previously at least) there is no restriction on smoking, and since a fair few of the folk aren't dancers - or at least, aren't hard-core dancers, there's a lot more smoke in the air than you'd usually find at even smoking-allowed venues.

They don't still allow smoking do they? This is an event where children are welcomed...

Sheepman
8th-July-2004, 04:40 PM
A big night out for me has to have some special feature, and here I agree with Rachel, it is likely to be the chance to watch some fab cabaret or competition dancing.

I'm really not bothered about food, as under par says, deal with this long before the dancing begins, otherwise I'll only be suffering. (Though somehow I managed (lots of) both at Andy's Hog Roast, and no indigestion :confused: )

On an average Saturday night, it has to be a case of sizing up the opposition, one of my favourite venues is just £5 for a Saturday night, only 40 minutes journey, a great floor, brilliant music, we then carrying on partying nearby till late into the night. I'm not likely to give this one up to pay twice or three times as much, and not be guaranteed a good night. I think anyone who is trying to put on a big night has to contend with the fact that many people will opt for making a late decision, and going to a cheaper venue they already know, there has to be a real USP (like Jive Masters) to drag people away from their usual.

Greg

Andy McGregor
8th-July-2004, 04:48 PM
I'm really not bothered about food, as under par says, deal with this long before the dancing begins, otherwise I'll only be suffering. (Though somehow I managed (lots of) both at Andy's Hog Roast, and no indigestion :confused: )Greg

I think this was down to the length of the night. We started early and finished late, and the food was available pretty much all night - in fact, some of it is still available!

..although the lamb was eaten quite quickly:devil:

I've been researching the possibility of doing a black-tie dinner dance for the new year. There is a lot of interest, particularly from people who have partners who don't dance. I think the motivation is that you want to be with your loved ones to see in the new year but you also want to be at a party where you can indulge your dance addiction. Watch this space.

Peter
8th-July-2004, 05:12 PM
I run the LeRoc ball in Weston-super-Mare every year. This year is our 15th year. Every year it sells out. Every year we get fantastic feedback. It's black-tie in a fantastic venue fully decorated (takes all day), we have a free drinks reception, sit-down meal, live band, cabaret, great DJ, side shows, fun casino, photographer, late finish, free water, subsidised coaches, charity raffle (with great prizes). All profits go to charity (usually about £2000 including raffle takings etc). We pretty much sell out before the date where ticket price increases. Last year it was £30/£35. 400 people all having a great time and no complaints about the price. I guess it depends what you get for your money. This year's event on December 11th.

www.cliftonleroc.co.uk (http://www.cliftonleroc.co.uk)


After the champs on 17 Jul, there is a "glitter ball" for £20. Details here (www.leroc.net/leroc2000/Championship/glitter.htm). Is this a cut price version of the Leroc ball referred to above? The publicity leaflet states "Dress to impress Glitter (black tie) is the theme. Please make an effort." Are all the guys planning to wear DJ/tuxedo?

jivecat
8th-July-2004, 06:16 PM
I totally agree with Under Par. For me, my list of priorities is: 1. music that I like, 2. decent floor, 3. at least one nice person to dance with.




I totally agree with Rachel- and Under Par. I would add that space to dance is another priority, and is often not available at bigger, well-hyped freestyles.
I don't want to eat during a Ceroc evening - makes me feel heavy and worry about breathing garlic over everyone. I also prefer not to go to events where there's any pressure on me to dress up, though I know lots of other people enjoy that. For me mood and atmosphere are hugely important but indefinable. No more guarantee of getting it right at a £30 gala ball than a bog-standard Ceroc weeknight.

Minnie M
8th-July-2004, 11:21 PM
.../snip/....weekenders cater for MJ dancers and their families (yes children ARE allowed) Party Weekender (http://www.partyweekender.com)

The web site is down at the moment as they are working on it - apologies from Darren, should be OK tomorrow

Minnie M
8th-July-2004, 11:23 PM
.../snip/....weekenders cater for MJ dancers and their families (yes children ARE allowed) Party Weekender (http://www.partyweekender.com)

The web site is down at the moment as they are working on it - apologies from Darren, should be OK tomorrow

Whilst speaking to them this afternoon, Darren assured me that although smoking is allowed at the venue it is NOT allowed on the dance floor or the areas around it AND there are lots NO SMOKING signs around the room stating this and there are no ashtrays on the tables. The only acceptable smoking areas are, by the bar and near to it.

Nick M
8th-July-2004, 11:28 PM
Are all the guys planning to wear DJ/tuxedo?

I am, Peter, with a fabulous black glittery Italian shirt I found in a shop in Munich

Lounge Lizard
9th-July-2004, 08:25 AM
The web site is down at the moment as they are working on it - apologies from Darren, should be OK tomorrow

Whilst speaking to them this afternoon, Darren assured me that although smoking is allowed at the venue it is NOT allowed on the dance floor or the areas around it AND there are lots NO SMOKING signs around the room stating this and there are no ashtrays on the tables. The only acceptable smoking areas are, by the bar and near to it.I dont fink smoke can read the signs - if it is the venue it can reach the dancers - one of the big attractions for focusing on DJ'ing MJ events is the no smoking, every time I play a private gig the smoke really gets to me.
Also the party weekenders ruin the night for me by playing tiger feet etc EVERY NIGHT, just when the dancing is into full swing it seems. Mind you the after dance parties are ledgendry :whistle:

Andy McGregor
9th-July-2004, 09:24 AM
Mind you the after dance parties are ledgendry :whistle:

I'd forgotten all about THAT PHOTO!!!

It's of a certain reptile with TWO others shortly after they'd shed their skins. It's actually too rude to put on here but I am willing to sell the picture and negative:devil: :whistle:

Andy McGregor
9th-July-2004, 09:30 AM
I dont fink smoke can read the signs - if it is IN the venue it can reach the dancers - one of the big attractions for focusing on DJ'ing MJ events is the no smoking,


The only acceptable smoking areas are, by the bar and near to it.

If the bar is in a different room from the dancing I think this is fine. If the bar is in the same room as the dancing I think LL is absolutely right.

I haven't been for 2 years so I don't know the current layout. Maybe someone who's been recently could let us know.

I must admit that, now I've been reminded, I'm quite keen to go to a Party Weekender again. It would be a shame if a bunch of smokers in the wrong place meant I stayed away for the sake of my health.

Sheepman
12th-July-2004, 02:02 PM
After the champs on 17 Jul, there is a "glitter ball" for £20. "Dress to impress Glitter (black tie) is the theme. Please make an effort." Are all the guys planning to wear DJ/tuxedo? Not much point in me going for the DJ, 'cos I'd have it off within a couple of dances, I think I may go for the glitter option instead.

Greg

Minnie M
3rd-October-2005, 07:58 AM
If you want to moan about the price of a freestyle - please use this thread - thanks :yeah:

David Bailey
3rd-October-2005, 11:12 AM
If you want to moan about the price of a freestyle - please use this thread - thanks :yeah:
Good resurrection :clap:

But I don't care about the price - what I care about is the quality.

So maybe it should be "How much would you pay (and how far would you travel) to take a gamble on a night?"

KatieR
3rd-October-2005, 03:55 PM
Apart from a few we have had only men's opinions, and being a woman (well I was last time I looked, even though I have cut my hair). I guess my thoughts on the subject are as follows:

I would pay 'whatever it costs' AS LONG AS the people are friendly, dont mind dancing with me and you can get a glass of tap water or some ice.

I was quite disheartened with the Rebel Roc Freestyle for the main reason that we have gone over many times on the forum is there were just way too many women and the guys didn't really seem all that interested in dancing with us ladies that weren't card carrying top of the line been dancing for 10 years or more dancers. Well that was my experience anyway.

I know Im not the most amazing dancer on the planet but am not totally useless either so as long as the guys dont go all hotshot and walk away as you approach them, I really would be happy to pay whatever it costs.

TiggsTours
3rd-October-2005, 04:09 PM
I have to admit that I did not read the thread before voting, so I thought you meant a regular weekly freestyle night, and voted for up to £8.

If I'd known you meant for a proper ball like JB used to do, then I'd have put up to £30, but it would also need to be a special occassion. JB used to have his between Christmas & New Year, so it was a special time of year too.

I'd pay up to that, but for that I'd expect:

A dress code, posh frocks & black tie
A free drinkie on arrival
A GOOD live band
A GOOD DJ
Something better than the run-of-the-mill town hall
Tea, coffee and something nice to nibble on at the end
2am carraiges

If it was a charity event, I'd pay up to £40, and you may also find venues who will give a slight deduction (I don't know this, I'm relying on human kindness).

David Bailey
3rd-October-2005, 04:20 PM
JB used to have his between Christmas & New Year, so it was a special time of year too.
Glitter Ball, Bedford Corn Exchange - ahh, those were the days. And :worthy: to Jon for leading the way and showing that there's a market for dancing in that dead zone between 25-30th December.

As far as I know, those were (some of) the first MJ dance events at that time.

I think, from memory, they were about £25?

EDIT: just remembered, I went there with young Gus a couple of times! :rofl:

Martin
3rd-October-2005, 04:21 PM
I would pay 'whatever it costs' AS LONG AS the people are friendly, dont mind dancing with me and you can get a glass of tap water or some ice.



I went for "whatever it costs" as well. Got to have the mix though. Good dancers and good music.



I was quite disheartened with the Rebel Roc Freestyle for the main reason that we have gone over many times on the forum is there were just way too many women and the guys didn't really seem all that interested in dancing with us ladies that weren't card carrying top of the line been dancing for 10 years or more dancers. Well that was my experience anyway.



Now you have hit on "my worst UK experience" - I turned up with my membership card (which I paid for on my last trip :sick: ) Only to be told they have changed thier name and I have to pay again... despite travelling from central London [after of course the trip from Australia] - never again - such anal people I have never before met.

It comes from the top they say, so got to expect an "exclusive" night. :tears:

So sad...

I even asked to speak to the main organiser, no luck there...
I was told, pay again... :mad:

Paul F
3rd-October-2005, 04:24 PM
I would pay 'whatever it costs' AS LONG AS the people are friendly, dont mind dancing with me and you can get a glass of tap water or some ice.





I'd pay up to that, but for that I'd expect:

A dress code, posh frocks & black tie
A free drinkie on arrival
A GOOD live band
A GOOD DJ
Something better than the run-of-the-mill town hall
Tea, coffee and something nice to nibble on at the end
2am carraiges

).


Without wanting to put a downer on the discussion, once again it comes down to pleasing everybody all the time.

On the one hand we have the requirement for friendly people, free water and on the other live bands and posh dresses etc.
These are all great suggestions IMO but it highlights the fact that people will never be completely happy. If I was asked what I want (and I will tell you :blush: ) and I said great floor and great music I would bad mouth the event afterwards if I had to pay £2 for a pint of water.
In my case I would pay anything if it meant having a dedicated WCS room but thats purely because I like it. If the venue just played 'normal' Ceroc music , whatever that may be, I probably wouldnt enjoy it as much. The next person will almost certainly disagree.

To get a concensus of opinion on price we would have to stipulate what this theoretical freestyle would consist of then offer some prices.

It comes down to one thing. I would pay anything for MY ideal freestyle.




Sorry for including your quotes TT and Katie. Its just to highlight my point - as feeble as it is ! - :flower: Hope you dont mind.

KatieR
3rd-October-2005, 04:28 PM
Sorry for including your quotes TT and Katie. Its just to highlight my point - as feeble as it is ! - :flower: Hope you dont mind.

Thats alright.... It was just what I look for.... I just dont want to pay a heap of money to have my self esteem dented.

TiggsTours
3rd-October-2005, 04:30 PM
Without wanting to put a downer on the discussion, once again it comes down to pleasing everybody all the time.

On the one hand we have the requirement for friendly people, free water and on the other live bands and posh dresses etc.
These are all great suggestions IMO but it highlights the fact that people will never be completely happy. If I was asked what I want (and I will tell you :blush: ) and I said great floor and great music I would bad mouth the event afterwards if I had to pay £2 for a pint of water.
In my case I would pay anything if it meant having a dedicated WCS room but thats purely because I like it. If the venue just played 'normal' Ceroc music , whatever that may be, I probably wouldnt enjoy it as much. The next person will almost certainly disagree.

To get a concensus of opinion on price we would have to stipulate what this theoretical freestyle would consist of then offer some prices.

It comes down to one thing. I would pay anything for MY ideal freestyle.




Sorry for including your quotes TT and Katie. Its just to highlight my point - as feeble as it is ! - :flower: Hope you dont mind.
Not at all, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but I do feel that what you are describing is all too readily available already, and not something "special" which Gus is aiming for. If this sort of night is already available for a tenner, then I wouldn't pay £30 for it!

For those of us who remember what an excellent event the Glitter Ball was (and included all that I listed) they'd know what I mean.

Paul F
3rd-October-2005, 04:36 PM
Not at all, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but I do feel that what you are describing is all too readily available already, and not something "special" which Gus is aiming for. I this sort of night is already available for a tenner, then I wouldn't pay £30 for it!

For those of us who remember what an excellent event the Glitter Ball was (and included all that I listed) they'd know what I mean.

I wasnt really trying to describe a night :blush: but rather point out that 'special' is pretty much impossible to define. There will always be people who find things they dont like, including me :rolleyes: :)
I think it would be better to lay out the ideas for a 'special' night, see how much people would be willing to pay knowing what is involved and then for an organiser to get as close as possible.

plankton
3rd-October-2005, 06:08 PM
I think there is a difference between Quality freestyle (what I would like to experience every friday and saturday night) and a Special Event (which should also be Quality but better :nice: )

One can ignore the costs to the organiser as these are irrelevant to the punter and may or may not be accurately reflected in the entry cost. The cost a punter will bare will depend on a mix of characteristics , reputation of the organiser, the DJ , the venue, who else you know is going etc.

In the last two weeks or so I have been to 3 fri/Sat freestyles the most expensive was £8 stayed 1 hour no modern jive played in that time left disgusted. The other two were £6 both swing based danced untill I couldn't stand even if my Lindy is still rubbish. On that basis I am more likely to happily pay more for a Special event organised by either of the latter I wouldn't even consider going to the former again.

It is unreasonable to expect an organiser to get everything right (for each individual) but there should be some fundamentals.

Good music is fundamental , realistically you can dance with anybody of any standard and have a good time (ok you may not use all you moves :sad: ) The dance may not be perfect but if you and your partner enjoyed it so what .

There must be adequate floorspace for the numbers and style of dancing .

Why cabarets at freestyles ? (or beginners lessons for that matter) never could work this out as far as I am concerned just reduces dancing time. but at a Special Event or weekender etc then brilliant opportunity to see how it really should be done.

Incidentals like food (can't eat and dance) alcoholic drink (can't drink and dance or drive) coffee (scrape me off the ceiling for the next 12 hrs) would not make a difference (unless I was expecting them and didn't get them ).

Hall decorations ????? I am concentrating on my partner I couldn't tell you at the end of the night whether the hall had been dressed or not, but for may it must set the scene.

so what would I pay ? .......... depends !

just a thought what about charging a minimal entry fee but a satsifaction exit fee based on the size of the smile (and by extension customer satisfaction achieved) last Saturday would have cost me a fortune :cheers:

Minnie M
3rd-October-2005, 06:16 PM
The other two were £6 both swing based danced untill I couldn't stand even if my Lindy is still rubbish
We had a good dance though :hug: that dance was good value for money, great music, and a really nice friendly crowd :clap: floor was a bit sticky though :what:

plankton
4th-October-2005, 11:07 AM
We had a good dance though :hug: that dance was good value for money, great music, and a really nice friendly crowd :clap: floor was a bit sticky though :what:


:yeah:

dancing with you Minnie .... I never even touched the floor :hug:

bigdjiver
4th-October-2005, 12:11 PM
:yeah:

dancing with you Minnie .... I never even touched the floor :hug:What a cheesy line - have some rep - it has gone straight into my "must use" book.

stewart38
4th-October-2005, 01:02 PM
I have to admit that I did not read the thread before voting, so I thought you meant a regular weekly freestyle night, and voted for up to £8.

If I'd known you meant for a proper ball like JB used to do, then I'd have put up to £30, but it would also need to be a special occassion. JB used to have his between Christmas & New Year, so it was a special time of year too.




yes i didnt read so please amend mind to what ever it cost, i put £20

If its a good new years eve function £30 is fine

El Salsero Gringo
9th-October-2005, 05:25 PM
yes i didnt read so please amend mind to what ever it cost, i put £20

If its a good new years eve function £30 is fine
Here's a question for those people who'd pay more for a New Year's Eve bash. Assuming that the extra dosh more than covers the more expensive venue hire, staff costs and so on. What would you like to see the organiser spend some extra money on? For instance, a live band? Food? Competition with cash prizes? Just wondering.

ChrisA
9th-October-2005, 05:43 PM
Here's a question for those people who'd pay more for a New Year's Eve bash. Assuming that the extra dosh more than covers the more expensive venue hire, staff costs and so on. What would you like to see the organiser spend some extra money on? For instance, a live band? Food? Competition with cash prizes? Just wondering.
Not sure if I'm answering your question, but I'd rather pay more for less crowding.

I went to a JiveTime New Year bash at Ealing a few years back, and "bash" was the operative word. I'd rather have paid, say, half as much again for 2/3 the number of people.

It would have saved Franco a bit, too, since he wouldn't have had to lay on as much food (which was, incidentally, superb - don't know what it's been like the last couple of years though).

David Bailey
9th-October-2005, 10:55 PM
What would you like to see the organiser spend some extra money on? For instance, a live band? Food? Competition with cash prizes? Just wondering.
More time to dance - i.e. until 3am instead of midnight or 1am.

That's it, really.

Hmmm, looks like a poll to me...

bigdjiver
9th-October-2005, 11:51 PM
...Hmmm, looks like a poll to me...Perhaps it needs a different kind of poll, where we could select our top six priorities in order. e.g room to dance 6, challenging music 5, ... Fancy ashtrays - Nil points

El Salsero Gringo
10th-October-2005, 09:15 AM
I didn't want to do a poll. I'm not interested in trying to guess in advance what people would want and then have rankings and counts, and votings. I just wanted to hear some ideas.

MaxBeat
17th-October-2005, 02:37 PM
Not sure if I'm answering your question, but I'd rather pay more for less crowding.

I went to a JiveTime New Year bash at Ealing a few years back, and "bash" was the operative word. I'd rather have paid, say, half as much again for 2/3 the number of people.

It would have saved Franco a bit, too, since he wouldn't have had to lay on as much food (which was, incidentally, superb - don't know what it's been like the last couple of years though).

Chris, since you attended some years ago, we have reduced the numbers at Ealing both on Halloween and New Year Eve's to 250 max, whereas before we always got 300 at both events. The cost has remained the same, £ 10 Halloween (due again on Friday the 28 this month, including free bar and dancing up to 1.30 in the morning. Incidentally, I would go up to later than that but the Town Hall is not licenced for later time) and £ 30 New Year Eve's (including free bar and still delicious food, as I have never cheapskated on either drinks or food, finishing time 1.30 am).

Reading what the various people have written in this thread, I am glad to have been proved once again right about my views such as the late finishing times. When I introduced these first at Camber, Bognor and Ealing, many said that by midnight the venue would have been empty, given that 23.00 to midnight was the general finishing time adopted by almost all organisers untill a few years ago. Look at it now, Camber and Bognor goes on till 6.00 in the morning, Ealing till 1.30 in the morning, would anyone have anything less than that...?

eastmanjohn
17th-October-2005, 03:32 PM
I think it's interesting to compare the price of other events outside the MJ arena.

Look at the price for a non-MJ charity ball. Tickets easily £40 or £50 per person and you get a meal and a disco plus raffle/auction usually.

What about going out for dinner? 3 course meal easily £20 plus wine plus service charge!! Service charge might be as much as a normal MJ night!!

A trip to the theatre. £25 a ticket plus drinks.

What about your bog standard works Christmas do!!!!!!

Sometimes it's worth putting these things in perspective. I think MJ events in general are very good value for money.

Paul F
18th-October-2005, 12:17 AM
Right, Im going to give a hard cash amount :)

If the Jango crew decided to put on a 4/5 hour freestyle on a friday or saturday, or indeed any day :) , I would pay up to £20 to get in. I would pay that purely for entry. If it was a one off possibly more.

I can safely say now that I would immensly enjoy it so £20 to me is a well worth paying.

under par
18th-October-2005, 01:27 AM
!

Sometimes it's worth putting these things in perspective. I think MJ events in general are very good value for money.


Couldn't agree more....£6 to £15 depending on event and or venue for minimum 3 hours entertainment works out at £2 to £5 an hour for your fun.

Can't get much else for that kind of money these days!!:whistle:

And Mrs Par and i often pay more in petrol bills than we do at a venues ticket desk, but it is worth it for a good nights dancing...:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

jivecat
18th-October-2005, 09:39 AM
I think £7 or £8 for a regular night is fairly good value, but I don't think I could even consider paying £20. I don't earn all that much and value for money is an issue for me - £20 spent on that is £20 NOT spent on something else, I have to make choices. I'm sure I can't be the only one in this position. As well as admission, I often spend £15 or more per week on petrol to get to the venues. Like UP, I get so much enjoyment from it that it is worthwhile but I'm not in the "money is no object" camp!

Dance venue-wise, my needs are very simple. A large, good floor, easy to get to, plenty of parking, good sound system and a competent DJ. The first and last are the most important, the rest don't matter much to me. I certainly don't think we should have to pay extra to get decent music, it should be part of the basic package.

Paul F
18th-October-2005, 09:47 AM
I think £7 or £8 for a regular night is fairly good value, but I don't think I could even consider paying £20. I don't earn all that much and value for money is an issue for me - £20 spent on that is £20 NOT spent on something else, I have to make choices. I'm sure I can't be the only one in this position. As well as admission, I often spend £15 or more per week on petrol to get to the venues. Like UP, I get so much enjoyment from it that it is worthwhile but I'm not in the "money is no object" camp!



I think its fair to say you are definatley not on your own at all. :flower: Packed freestyles around the country will verify that .

I would be willing to pay £20 for a 4, or preferably 5 hour set, purely because I love the kind of music that Jango play.
As it just doesnt happen anywhere else I consider it a niche (if thats the right word) market. As such I would expect to pay more for it.
Im not saying many others would as petrol is a biggy!! :mad: especially at these prices :tears:
Perhaps £15 then for a Jango'esq night of music and frolics :drool: Thats £3 per hour. Thats mouth-wateringly good value :grin:

jivecat
18th-October-2005, 10:14 AM
Perhaps £15 then for a Jango'esq night of music and frolics :drool: Thats £3 per hour. Thats mouth-wateringly good value :grin:

OK, maybe I might be willing, occasionally, to pay £15 for such a night as you describe. As long as
a. The DJ played an endless succession of favourites personally approved & vetted by myself. And
b. All my favourite leaders were ordered to be there and lined up for my (dancing) delectation. And
c. I get first right of refusal over any other ladies that might be allowed in.

I've never been to Jango. Is it like that there? :innocent:

I agree, £3 per hour is good value compared with most other forms of entertainment I can think of.

David Bailey
18th-October-2005, 10:26 AM
I think the whole "comparing with other types of activity" is a bit of a red herring - lots of things cost lots of money, it's pointless trying to compare them, because they operate in different markets.

To me, the only real comparison for "value for money" purposes is between different MJ venues in roughly the same location. And even then, other factors (floor, DJ, etc.) make comparisons difficult.

And of course, different people's lifestyles and disposable incomes will vary, so what seems worthwhile to some will be massively expensive for others.

The typical MJ weekday session is maybe at most £7 - any more than that and people probably won't go.

The typical weekend session may be up to £10 - but again, any more than that and people may not go (or the organisers will add in "extras" such as cabarets / competitions, etc.)

I do have some disposable income, so I'd happily pay £20, if I knew it was going to be good. But, you never know.

For most venues, on a weekend, I'd be hesitant about spending more than £10-12 - not because I couldn't afford more, but simply because if I didn't enjoy the night, I'd moan about how I'd been ripped-off.

But then, that could be just me liking a good old moan...

foxylady
18th-October-2005, 10:28 AM
OK, maybe I might be willing, occasionally, to pay £15 for such a night as you describe. As long as
a. The DJ played an endless succession of favourites personally approved & vetted by myself. And
b. All my favourite leaders were ordered to be there and lined up for my (dancing) delectation. And
c. I get first right of refusal over any other ladies that might be allowed in.

I've never been to Jango. Is it like that there? :innocent:

I agree, £3 per hour is good value compared with most other forms of entertainment I can think of.

well although (a) was slightly too fast for my liking -meaning not broken down enough by slower tracks, not that the fast ones were too fast :confused: and I certainly didn't get (c) I'd say Greenwich pretty much hit (b) on the button which made for a fab night, and well worth the money.... (can't even remember how much it was now)

All the men who were at Greenwich, plus purely Jango-esque music :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

jivecat
18th-October-2005, 10:41 AM
I do have some disposable income, so I'd happily pay £20, if I knew it was going to be good. But, you never know.



That's it exactly, you never know. I might be feeling tired/ grumpy/ out of sorts on the night. Or my feet might be hurting, or my tights getting on my nerves, (!?!) or any other factor beyond the control of the organisers. I could just as easily have a better night in some provincial backwater for £8 (or £7 as long as it's not Ceroc Central) so why pay more?

KatieR
18th-October-2005, 02:17 PM
I would be willing to pay £20 for a 4, or preferably 5 hour set, purely because I love the kind of music that Jango play.
As it just doesnt happen anywhere else I consider it a niche (if thats the right word) market. As such I would expect to pay more for it.
Im not saying many others would as petrol is a biggy!! :mad: especially at these prices :tears:
Perhaps £15 then for a Jango'esq night of music and frolics :drool: Thats £3 per hour. Thats mouth-wateringly good value :grin:

:yeah:

I would forgo all other dancing that week if it meant paying a bit more for a Jango event... I certainly get more out of the class and the freestyle. Kate's class last night was awesome and I really feel like I learn something at these classes. The freestyle gives me a chance to really put what I have learnt into practice with other likeminded people instead of heading off to somewhere like Ashtons to have my arms yanked and crash into people with no floorcraft. (no offence to those who like Ashtons. :whistle: )

Mr Cool
18th-October-2005, 03:17 PM
Dance venue-wise, my needs are very simple. A large, good floor, easy to get to, plenty of parking, good sound system and a competent DJ. The first and last are the most important, the rest don't matter much to me. I certainly don't think we should have to pay extra to get decent music, it should be part of the basic package.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you Jive Cat.
I am amazed at some of the posts on this subject. I spend much more travelling between venues than on admissions but i still want value for money. Most dancers needs are like yours.
A good floor, room to dance, good music, plenty of time to dance and a good gathering of interesting dancers.
I for one have no interest in Cabarets, lessons, Black tie events, food ( except after the event breakfast would be nice)
The price should reflect the type of venue and the timing of the event I think £6 is reasonable for local freestyles and £8 is expensive A quality freestyle in a nice venue £7 is good value but £12 expensive.
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