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Rachel
12th-May-2004, 12:24 PM
Just seen the mailing from Ceroc Metro - here's something else to be excited about. The first round of this year's JiveMasters on Sun 30 May at Chigwell:

Phil Webb & Yuko
Roger Chin & Marianne Hospel
Will Hargreaves & Kate Miles
Andy McGregor & Sema Akyildiz
Steve Howard & Julie Bass

Fantastic dancers, there - I can't wait to see them! I'll be wanting to support all of them, though - I honestly have no idea which of those are likely to win. God, who'd be a judge, huh?!

The only one I'm not familiar with is Sema. Andy - willing to forward any details?
Rachel

TheTramp
12th-May-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Rachel
Just seen the mailing from Ceroc Metro - here's something else to be excited about. The first round of this year's JiveMasters on Sun 30 May at Chigwell:

Phil Webb & Yuko
Roger Chin & Marianne Hospel
Will Hargreaves & Kate Miles
Andy McGregor & Sema Akyildiz
Steve Howard & Julie Bass

Fantastic dancers, there - I can't wait to see them! I'll be wanting to support all of them, though - I honestly have no idea which of those are likely to win. God, who'd be a judge, huh?!I think that (on recent performances), the money has to be on Will and Kate doesn't it??

Although, all the other people involved are great dancers (for some, in their own inimitable style).

Trampy

Andy McGregor
12th-May-2004, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Rachel
The only one I'm not familiar with is Sema. Andy - willing to forward any details?
Rachel

Looks-wise, Sema is a bit like Lydia - the one that was with Viktor. She's been out of dancing for a couple of years and has only come back to it in the last 2 months. She's a stylish dancer aged in her mid twenties. She's Turkish and a really nice person. We danced together a bit last Friday but will start our more serious practicing when I get back from the dance and sail holiday on the 20th. Most of the other couples are regular partners and have competed together already - worried, moi!:tears:

I chose Sema as my partner because I wanted to find a local dancer so we could meet up for regular practice. I also needed someone who is good and who I can lift! As I'm puny the lifting bit narrowed the field a lot:blush:

My objective with this competition is to do my absolute best dancing rather than cook up some kind of gimmick. The field is a strong one and I really don't want to look like a fool:tears:

Now, the important bit. Has anyone got any suggestions for a theme/outfit - and before it is suggested, The Tramp has already stamped his mark on the 'Beauty and the Beast':devil:

Andy McGregor
12th-May-2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
, The Tramp has already stamped his mark on the 'Beauty and the Beast':devil:

Here is the challenge for The Tramp. Post a reply that isn't along the lines of "How dare you call Hayley a Beast":wink:

Gus
12th-May-2004, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Rachel
The first round of this year's JiveMasters on Sun 30 May at Chigwell:

Phil Webb & Yuko
Roger Chin & Marianne Hospel
Will Hargreaves & Kate Miles
Andy McGregor & Sema Akyildiz
Steve Howard & Julie Bass

Fantastic dancers, there - I can't wait to see them!

Well ... I recognise half of the dancers there ... and pretty impressive they are. I'm still wondering which names will be in the frame for the Manchester and Birmingham heats:tears: We're a bit short of competition dancers round here ... and most of the best dancers I know, e.g. Pistol Pete, Newcastle Lynn ... don't have regular competition partners. Anyone know how the dancers (outside London) will be selected?

Rachel
12th-May-2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
... I chose Sema as my partner because I wanted to find a local dancer so we could meet up for regular practice. I also needed someone who is good and who I can lift! ...

... My objective with this competition is to do my absolute best dancing rather than cook up some kind of gimmick. The field is a strong one and I really don't want to look like a fool:tears: Wow - if she's a good dancer and looks like Lydia, that will really be something to watch. Do you not ever compete with your wife, Andy?

You're right, it's a very strong field - but I'm sure you'll do well. Will and Kate are absolutely amazing, and will be a very popular choice - but I wouldn't write off any of the others. I don't know them personally, but've so enjoyed watching Steve and Julie in the competitions this year. And Marianne and Roger are both incredible dancers - although I've never seen them together. Yuko looked fanastic in the lucky dip at the Champs - Marc says she's great to dance with, and can be comfortable doing so many different styles. And Philip was great at Blackpool - though actually, I've never seen Yuko and Philip dance together either.

Hmm, will be very interesing. looking forward to seeing it!
Rachel

Rachel
12th-May-2004, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Gus
I'm still wondering which names will be in the frame for the Manchester and Birmingham heats:tears: Excellent - I didn't know there would be regional heats, as well! We'll certainly try and make the Birmingham ones. Sorry, I have absolutely no idea who and how the dancers are selected, but I bet there are loads of great dancers up there. (Well, there's you and Helen, Della and Eliot (ok, Eliot's now London-based, I believe), Ann and Paul from Newcastle, for a start ....)

I take it there will be Scotland heats, too?

Chicklet
12th-May-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Rachel

I take it there will be Scotland heats, too?
10th July in Glasgow!!

How're yer airmiles these days???:D

Rachel
12th-May-2004, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Chicklet
10th July in Glasgow!!

How're yer airmiles these days???:D Oooh, very tempting! Who's competing???
R.

Andy McGregor
12th-May-2004, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Rachel
Do you not ever compete with your wife, Andy?

I think the pressure of Jive Masters would freak her out. Sue's really an intermediate dancer. Should I enter that category with her?:devil:

Franck
12th-May-2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Rachel
Oooh, very tempting! Who's competing???
R. The date for the Scottish heat of the Jivemasters will indeed be in Glasgow on Saturday 10th July.
The couples are being approached as we speak, but the final line-up is not yet confirmed.
The idea of the Jivemasters is to invite previous competition winners (or placed), as well as professionals (teachers etc...). This year, 5 couples will be taking part, and with recent successes in Blackpool and London, we are not short of 'Jivemasters' :D

One certainty is that I won't be entering this year (competitions are evil :wink: ) and neither will Lorna as she will be 8 months pregnant by then, though that would probably not stop her winning it! :flower:

Adam will be up to host the evening, and will teach a selection of workshops on the Saturday / Sunday, so overall, another great week-end in Scotland.

Dreadful Scathe
12th-May-2004, 03:51 PM
I've got my "I love Melanie" groupie t-shirt ready :D

Lory
12th-May-2004, 04:01 PM
Does anyone know what date the final's on yet? And will it be at Walthamstow again? (I love that venue!):grin:

Simon r
12th-May-2004, 04:38 PM
And Philip was great at Blackpool - though actually, I've never seen Yuko and Philip dance together either.
Quote rachel
Ive seen them dance together and considering the time they have been together ,really good
I agree with mark she is a superb dancer

Gus
12th-May-2004, 04:56 PM
Just a thought ... which region do the Bristol or Nottingham dancers fall into, Manchester, Brum or London? Some very good dancers in these two cities .... hope the regional organisers know who they are:sick:

Jive Brummie
12th-May-2004, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe
I've got my "I love Melanie" groupie t-shirt ready :D

...........me too:wink:

J x x

Minnie M
12th-May-2004, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Franck
The date for the Scottish heat of the Jivemasters will indeed be in Glasgow on Saturday 10th July.


Make sure you get on the video this year PLEASE :flower:

Jive Brummie
12th-May-2004, 09:11 PM
has anyone seen any playlists for this years jive masters yet??

J x x

:confused:

Andy McGregor
12th-May-2004, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Jive Brummie
has anyone seen any playlists for this years jive masters yet?? It's here (http://www.cerocmetro.com/jive_masters.html) on the website. And I've pasted it below too (it didn't copy the formatting, the number is the BPM).

The fast stuff sounds quite scary for a man of 47. Can we have an Old Gits category?:tears:

Martin
12th-May-2004, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor

The field is a strong one and I really don't want to look like a fool:tears:


Much as I love you :kiss: I could not let this one past...

Don't want to look like a fool?:really: Never stopped you in the past...:blush: :blush:

:rofl: :rofl:

Gus
12th-May-2004, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
It's here (http://www.cerocmetro.com/jive_masters.html) on the website. And I've pasted it below too (it didn't copy the formatting, the number is the BPM).


Urrrr ... isnt that LAST years list. Dont think they've got 2004 sorted out yet. I'm equally interested in the rules ... is it going to be an airstep fest or will sense prevail and it will be limited to social dancing moves?

Andy McGregor
12th-May-2004, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Martin
Much as I love you :kiss: I could not let this one past...

Don't want to look like a fool?:really: Never stopped you in the past...:blush: :blush:

:rofl: :rofl:

Ah, but I've been a professional fool. I spend a lot of time thinking, a lot of money shopping and quite a bit of time dressing/glueing on wigs, etc. I always dance as well as I can, but in other competitions it hasn't really mattered to me where I've come so long as everyone got the joke - I always hope to get in the final but that's really a bonus. This competition is different. You've got to seem like a 'Master' jiver. And I don't want to make it look like Nigel made a mistake in choosing me - and I don't want my partner to feel like we're outclassed and don't belong there.

Once I've got back from the Dance and Sail holiday in Greece we'll have 10 days to get our act together.

Me, nervous?!!!

Simon r
14th-May-2004, 05:08 PM
That is for certain last years list i hope they are going to change the music because last year there were three or four that would have killed you on the dance floor.
well they did chris anyway.:rofl:

Divissima
17th-May-2004, 10:35 AM
Anyone know when this year's music will be available - presumably just before the first round (or just after?). I'm interested to see what is on offer this year....

DavidY
24th-May-2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by cerocmetro on a different thread
Oh and JiveMasters 2004 starts this Sunday. ... any word yet on when and where the regional heats will be? (Apart from the Scottish one on 10 July which has already been mentioned.)

Andy McGregor
24th-May-2004, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Divissima
Anyone know when this year's music will be available - presumably just before the first round (or just after?). I'm interested to see what is on offer this year....

Here is a copy of the email Nigel has just sent me.

So this Sunday is the first heat of this years Jive Masters.

The venue is the ceroc metro Jive Night in Chigwell
(http://cerocmetro.com/chigwell.html).

Please aim to arrive by 8pm, the heats start at 8.30pm.

So here are the rules:
1) Each couple will dance (by themselves) to two pieces of music (one slow
110 - 120 bpm / one fast 150 - 160 bpm)
2) Each piece of music will last 2 minutes only and will be faded out
3) Music will be selected from a list of 10 pieces and will be draw by the
competitors before their heat.
4) There will only be a gap of 10 - 15 seconds between each track
5) Any form of dancing is allowed
6) This is a dance competition and not a gymnastics display, however aerials
are allowed but are restricted as below.
a) Aerials are judged as when no part of the ladies body remains
below the guys waist
b) Only 2 aerials are allowed per track (ie 4 in total)
c) A sequence of moves (where the lady may touch the floor in
between are counted as one aerial).
7) The audience judge the competition and are given score cards which will
be totalled to define the winners
8) The score cards are split as follows
a) 5 marks Musical Interpretation
b) 5 marks Presentation & Performance
c) 5 marks Technique
d) 5 marks Variety & Complexity

I'm sorry that the music hasn't yet been published on the website, but you
can blame Jon Brett as he has held up the selection process (naughty boy).
However here is the definitive list.

Slow Section
1) Over You Will Young 119bpm
2) Sixteen Tons Tom Jones 110bpm
3) Spooky Dusty Springfield 110bpm
4) Wade in the Water Eva Cassidy 111bpm
5) Don't get around much Steve Tyrell 112bpm
6) Maddest Kind of Love Voodoo Daddies 112bpm
7) Why don't you do right Sienad O'Conner 112bpm
8) Mustang Sally Eric Clapton 115bpm
9) Smooth Santana 117bpm
10) Business of Love Domino 118bpm


Fast Section
1) Soul Bossa Nova Quincy Jones 153bpm
2) La Bamba Los Lobos 155bpm
3) Crazy Little thing called Love Queen
153bpm
4) Closer to the Bone Sam Butera 154bpm
5) Stormy Weather Royal Crown Revue 155bpm
6) Safronia B Love Dogs 155bpm
7) ABC of Love Louis Hoover 152bpm
8) The Snake Al Wilson 150bpm
9) It takes Two Marvin Gaye 152bpm
10) Shake your Tailfeather Blues Brothers 159bpm


If your not sure about any of the tracks above then you can talk to Jon
Brett this week at the following venues and he will play them for you.
a) Tuesday Night - Hipsters (Ealing)
b) Wednesday Night - Stevenage
c) Thursday Night - St Albans


Good Luck everybody and see you on Sunday.

Nig
xx

Now I really am worried - we've got to dance on our own for 4 minutes:help:

TheTramp
24th-May-2004, 11:46 AM
Have to say that the music looks a whole load better for the competition this year than it did last year. Can we blame JB for that then?? :worthy:

There's only a few tracks that I wouldn't want to get, and a whole load more that I'd actively WANT to get.....

Trampy

David Franklin
24th-May-2004, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by TheTramp
Have to say that the music looks a whole load better for the competition this year than it did last year. Can we blame JB for that then?? :worthy: I think the biggest change is the absense of the 175bpm+ tracks :whistle: Definitely a change for the better in my book.
This list also seems much more swing heavy than last year - hopefully Gus will comment on whether it's fair to the club-style dancers. :devil:

Dave

Gus
24th-May-2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by David Franklin
hopefully Gus will comment on whether it's fair to the club-style dancers. :devil:


'Club-style dancers' ... what ... all 6 of them:wink:

By coincidence was watching the 2003 vid at the weekend (had it for 3 months, only watched parts of it before). If I remember right, the music for the Semis was more modern ... rather reminiscent of a LL set .... wonder if he had any influence on the music?

Music seems ok-ish but not what I'd choose to dance to myself.... still a bit on the fast side (NOT going through that debate again) ... but at the end of the day, if you want to do the competition (if you've first of all been asked), then you have to abide by the rules of the competition ... if you don’t like the rules then you don’t enter.

Must admit I'm a little more interested in the Birmingham and Manchester heats ... still no word as to whom has been invited ... or where .... or when ...:sad:

Sheepman
24th-May-2004, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
1) Soul Bossa Nova Quincy Jones 153bpm Andy, will you go as Austin Powers, just in case you get this one?

I have to say that the music looks better than last year, though there are a couple in there I don't know, and one that I loathe. It seems a bit fairer that the range of bpm is much narrower than last year.

And with that list of slow tracks, I wonder if any of the competitors would dare do West Coast?

Greg

Andy McGregor
24th-May-2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Sheepman
Andy, will you go as Austin Powers, just in case you get this one?


You've read my mind. But what if I don't get it:confused:

How would I look dancing to the Blues Brothers 'Shake your Tailfeather'?

DavidB
24th-May-2004, 01:31 PM
The speeds are a lot more reasonable this year, but there isn't one track there that would make me desperate to get to the floor. Too much swing & blues for my taste. Still - it is selected for competitors, not spectators.

David

Little Em
24th-May-2004, 01:58 PM
does anybody know as yet who is dancing for the birmingham heats... or when it is.....:confused:


id love to go an watch seen as its only a short journey away...................?


little em x:innocent:

Sheepman
24th-May-2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
Too much swing & blues for my taste. Do I take it that you won't be participating? I would have been interested to see what you would have made of the new air steps rule! :wink: :worthy:

Greg

Little Em
24th-May-2004, 02:04 PM
Im little em!!! who danced with alex in the int section....not emma pettitt!!!

or did u realise that...peps keep thinking im emma pettit!!

x

Gus
24th-May-2004, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
....but there isn't one track there that would make me desperate to get to the floor. Too much swing & blues for my taste. Still - it is selected for competitors, not spectators.


Time to start the "where is the Modern in Modern Jive Music" chant again. Can anyone tell me how many of the 20 tracks were produced in the last 2 years ... or the lasy 5 years ....what the h*ck, how many of these tracks have been in the charts in the last 10 years????:tears: :angry: :tears:

Sheepman
24th-May-2004, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by littleemc-central
id love to go an watch Watch? You? Surely not! I get the impression that procrastination is part of the process when it comes to arrangements with the heats. Shall I ask Nigel if he's got your number? :wink:

Greg

Little Em
24th-May-2004, 02:11 PM
YES WHY NOT!!! X X

DavidB
24th-May-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Sheepman
I would have been interested to see what you would have made of the new air steps rule 4 air steps in 4 minutes - we would have had to shorten a couple of them to fit them in...

David Franklin
24th-May-2004, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
4 air steps in 4 minutes - we would have had to shorten a couple of them to fit them in... Of course, you don't have to do two airsteps per track when you could just do one :whistle:

On a pragmatic level, I'm not sure what's actually meant by:


A sequence of moves (where the lady may touch the floor in between are counted as one aerial).Some might argue that as all dancing is a sequence of moves, it is impossible to actually go over the one aerial...

Dave

Andy McGregor
24th-May-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Gus
Time to start the "where is the Modern in Modern Jive Music" chant again. Can anyone tell me how many of the 20 tracks were produced in the last 2 years ... or the lasy 5 years ....what the h*ck, how many of these tracks have been in the charts in the last 10 years????:tears: :angry: :tears:

Modern Jive is nothing modern any more: it's been around for years. And all of those tracks were 'al la mode' when they came out - so at one time they were modern: a bit like modern jive. Maybe it's a sort of retro-modern a bit like the older 'club' music. Also, I have a feeling that Ceroc don't use the descriptor 'Modern Jive' preferring the brand name 'Ceroc' - but I'm probably wrong about this:confused:

Or maybe I'm talking rubbish - it's the delerium of not having a clue what a third of the tracks are and only having 6 days to find out and get familiar with them:sick:

Jive Brummie
24th-May-2004, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Rachel

Phil Webb & Yuko

Rachel

Had the pleasure of meeting Phil and Yuko at Southport. Thoroughly nice folks and fantastic dancers to-boot. Bit of an understatement actually as i thought they were brilliant!!!!!!!!!

Managed to grab a few dances with Yuko and was bowled over to find out she's only been doing modern jive for 6-7 months........:sick:

All the best for the competitors this weekend. Hope you have a fab time.......

James........:cheers:

Gus
25th-May-2004, 11:40 AM
Who is competing in the Scottish Heat. Does my honorary Dundonian status make me eligible?:wink:

Little Em
25th-May-2004, 11:43 AM
me & alex r competing in the chigwell heats on the 27th june!!

:grin:

little em x x:innocent:

Martin
25th-May-2004, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
Ah, but I've been a professional fool. I spend a lot of time thinking, a lot of money shopping and quite a bit of time dressing/glueing on wigs, etc. I always dance as well as I can, but in other competitions it hasn't really mattered to me where I've come so long as everyone got the joke - I always hope to get in the final but that's really a bonus. This competition is different. You've got to seem like a 'Master' jiver. And I don't want to make it look like Nigel made a mistake in choosing me - and I don't want my partner to feel like we're outclassed and don't belong there.

Once I've got back from the Dance and Sail holiday in Greece we'll have 10 days to get our act together.

Me, nervous?!!!

Yup, was a joke...

Fun and performance is a great thing - I remember your popeye and Olive Oil thing, so much fun.

Was ribbing you in my original quip.

Good luck Andy
:cheers:

Andy McGregor
25th-May-2004, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Martin
Yup, was a joke...

Fun and performance is a great thing - I remember your Popeye and Olive Oil thing, so much fun.

Was ribbing you in my original quip.

Good luck Andy
:cheers:

I knew you were ribbing me:flower:

I was nervous when I thought all 5 couples danced at the same time. Now I've found out we have to do 4 minutes on our own I've found the kind of calm rabbits have when caught in the headlights:what:

Martin
25th-May-2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Gus
I'm equally interested in the rules ... is it going to be an airstep fest or will sense prevail and it will be limited to social dancing moves?

Gotta say Gus, get over it...

You had a chance to join my ariels class at stompin' , you whimped out. [oda]

No-one wants to watch "social dancing", if that is your bag, fine go social, and chill out.

Going on recent performances, why did Viktor, who did no big ariels win in Aus (the land of ariels) last year?

Why do Clayton and Janine take out the UK (no big ariels)

Social, you dance social, comps, you dance comp standard.

Nicky and Robert, last year IMHO did no BIG ariels, simply low Strength stuff.

Salsa for example, what they teach is one thing, what they perform is another, check out the world champs...

"I can teach you so much after that you have to DANCE"

Show your whole repertoire and let us judge...

If you are s**t hot, you will win...

As an addition, there was one couple in the Jive Masters who did big ariels badly and got marked accordingly...

I would say, no limits, this is a dance display...

Can you shine or not.

Martin
25th-May-2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
I knew you were ribbing me:flower:

I was nervous when I thought all 5 couples danced at the same time. Now I've found out we have to do 4 minutes on our own I've found the kind of calm rabbits have when caught in the headlights:what:

Down to you now.

Are you man or mouse (PLEASE do not ask me to pass the cheese!)

It is a scary thought though. They are now incorporating that over here, do the bizz, then 1 minute on your own in the final, ahhhh.

I do not envy you.

Adam did ask me, thankfully, I was not able to attend.
I am really not that good on my own. Just do teams (be precise and hope the corrie is good enough, or do double trouble with fab girls who can disguise my lack of ability...)

Andy McGregor
25th-May-2004, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Martin
Are you man or mouse?

Nope! I'm a rabbit:wink:

Martin
25th-May-2004, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
Nope! I'm a rabbit:wink:

Dangle the carrot :D :D :D

All comes good :cheers:

Nicola
25th-May-2004, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by littleemc-central
me & alex r competing in the chigwell heats on the 27th june!!

:grin:

little em x x:innocent:

Well hello there Little em! How are you? Long time no see!

I've been monitering your forum offerings and you spend an aweful lot of time on here! Is this allowed at your place of work :wink:

Who's going to Chigwell?

Teaching Northants next week so hopefully see you there?

:cheers:

Speak soon
:hug:

Little Em
25th-May-2004, 02:45 PM
hey girly!"!!!! :D

yep i do spend time on here!! but ur right.....not meant to b spending all this time at work on the scotland forum!!
but i cant help myself!!

me & alex r going to chigwell........we rec'd invite to juve masters this morning ....im sooo excited!! :kiss: :cheers: :nice:


u should come with us!! we wont know anyone!!! we could do with some support!!! :wink:

ill b @ rugby venue next week playing demo to phil roberts i think while paul is away down under!!! :waycool:

little em x x:innocent:

TheTramp
25th-May-2004, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by littleemc-central
ill b @ rugby venue next week playing demo to phil roberts i think while paul is away down under!!! :waycool: And at Wellingborough on Monday. And I'll be there too. On my one stop whistle tour of Ceroc in the Midlands :D

Trampy

Little Em
25th-May-2004, 03:00 PM
and im sure the midlands cant wait to see you!!! :grin:


:wink:

em x

Nicola
25th-May-2004, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by TheTramp
And at Wellingborough on Monday. And I'll be there too. On my one stop whistle tour of Ceroc in the Midlands :D

Trampy

Hey Tramp!

I'm teaching Well on mon. you probably don't know who I am but I'll see you there?:cheers:

Nicola
25th-May-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by littleemc-central
hey girly!"!!!! :D

yep i do spend time on here!! but ur right.....not meant to b spending all this time at work on the scotland forum!!
but i cant help myself!!

me & alex r going to chigwell........we rec'd invite to juve masters this morning ....im sooo excited!! :kiss: :cheers: :nice:


u should come with us!! we wont know anyone!!! we could do with some support!!! :wink:

ill b @ rugby venue next week playing demo to phil roberts i think while paul is away down under!!! :waycool:

little em x x:innocent:

Wow!!!!! You little tinckers!! Al's demoing for me on Mon at Wellingborough. r u coming? I'll chat to you there about it!! Well done!

:hug:

What date is it! If I can I will defo come for support! I can shout with the best of'um! :clap:

TheTramp
26th-May-2004, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by Nicola
Hey Tramp!

I'm teaching Well on mon. you probably don't know who I am but I'll see you there?:cheers: Fantastic. I don't know who you are. But that's cool, cos you probably don't know who I am either....

Will look forward to meeting you then. Of course, you're going to have to dance with me now... (sorry).

Trampy

DavidY
26th-May-2004, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by TheTramp
Fantastic. I don't know who you are. But that's cool, cos you probably don't know who I am either....Dear Trampy,

If Nicola is teaching, presumably you'll be able to identify her cos' she'd be the one on the stage telling people what to do during the class... :rolleyes:

If memory serves, Nicola also won the Lucky Dip at the Ceroc Champs in May 2003 so you might recognise her from there.

Dear Nicola,

Trampy is 2nd from the left in this picture (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=35270#post35270)

Hope this helps...
David

TheTramp
26th-May-2004, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by DavidY
If Nicola is teaching, presumably you'll be able to identify her cos' she'd be the one on the stage telling people what to do during the class... :rolleyes:

If memory serves, Nicola also won the Lucky Dip at the Ceroc Champs in May 2003 so you might recognise her from there.Yeah. Thanks for that David. I'd sorta worked that one out already though.

I'm not sure that my memory goes all the way back to 2003 now, so I guess I'll have to wait until Monday.


Originally posted by DavidY
Dear Nicola,

Trampy is 2nd from the left in this picture (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=35270#post35270) Fantastic. That's the photo where I look much slimmer than Will :D

Trampy

Sheepman
26th-May-2004, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Gus
Time to start the "where is the Modern in Modern Jive Music" chant again. Can anyone tell me how many of the 20 tracks were produced in the last 2 years ... or the lasy 5 years .... Not many, but can you come up with 20 modern tracks that are in the right speed ranges (100-110bpm and 150-160bpm), are popular on the dance scene, and good to dance to? There have been loads of great tracks in the charts recently, but 99% of them are below 110bpm (great for West Coast Swing!) Of course Kylie's "Slow" could be in the list, but we've had that at every other competition recently.

Greg

Gus
28th-May-2004, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Sheepman
Not many, but can you come up with 20 modern tracks that are in the right speed ranges (100-110bpm and 150-160bpm), are popular on the dance scene, and good to dance to?

Greg

Only 20 ... yup! BUT ... 150-160 is NOT popular dance speed. I dont know exactly what the aim is but the core speed for MJ is 120 to 140 (LL ... back me up?) ... so why the heck have the two tracks OUTSIDE this range???:confused: :confused: :tears: :angry: :tears:

Andy McGregor
28th-May-2004, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Gus
..so why the heck have the two tracks OUTSIDE this range???:confused: :confused: :tears: :angry: :tears:


The great thing is that I can always blame the music:wink:

Nicola
28th-May-2004, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by DavidY
Dear Trampy,


If memory serves, Nicola also won the Lucky Dip at the Ceroc Champs in May 2003 so you might recognise her from there.

WoW!!! Well done David I feel famous now.....Even if no one else remembers me I'm glad you do!

Trampy is 2nd from the left in this picture (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=35270#post35270)

Hope this helps...
David

What a lovely picture Tramp! You and Will are both looking so hansome :wink:

I shall keep my eyes peeled for you on monday! :what:

Nicola
28th-May-2004, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by DavidY
Dear Trampy,


If memory serves, Nicola also won the Lucky Dip at the Ceroc Champs in May 2003 so you might recognise her from there.

Trampy is 2nd from the left in this picture (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=35270#post35270)

Hope this helps...
David

WoW!!! Well done David I feel famous now.....Even if no one else remembers me I'm glad you do!

What a lovely picture Tramp! You and Will are both looking so hansome :wink:

I shall keep my eyes peeled for you on monday! :what:

Dreadful Scathe
28th-May-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Nicola

What a lovely picture Tramp! You and Will are both looking so hansome :wink:


Hmm i had a look at dictionary.com and it said :

No entry found for hansome.
Did you mean hansom?


which is, as all Sherlock Holmes fans will know :

"A two-wheeled covered carriage with the driver's seat above and behind. Also called hansom cab."

Which overall I think is a very fair description of theTramp and Will :D

Martin
28th-May-2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Nicola
WoW!!! Well done David I feel famous now.....Even if no one else remembers me I'm glad you do!


Of course you are famous even in Australia - I remember you winning the champs 2003 with Louie - A great guy and a teacher in Sydney.

You both danced wonderfully :worthy:

Little Em
28th-May-2004, 01:10 PM
praise to nicola!!..........:worthy: which is all well deserved!!!

i cant wait till mon night at welly! i just had to remind al that he will b ur demo ....!! :what: :grin:

nic...... ooh if u could come to chigwell with us that would b fantastic!!! we would love u to b there an support us!! 27th june!!! its a sunday night! ...bout hour an half drive from northants! u can come in my car if u like! :D

x x x little em :innocent:

Nicola
30th-May-2004, 04:19 PM
Arrh Thanks Martin! Say Hi to him for me. I'm glad I'm famous in Oz-might take a little trip over there in the not too distant future and fame will definately boost my confidence! Maybe see you there?

:cheers:

Em- Definately can't think of reason why not. I'll put it in the diary. It's gunna be soooo wicked watching you both.......Think I might cry-the emotions might be overwhelming!:tears:

See you monday!:cheers: Trying to think of a something fun to teach as it's a bank holiday. Any suggestions? :confused:

Jive Brummie
30th-May-2004, 07:10 PM
Is it the first heat tonight?????????? :gulp:

Goodluck to everyone taking part...knock 'em deeed:wink:

James x x

Divissima
30th-May-2004, 07:15 PM
It is. TwK just about to hop in the car to get there... Some great people competing tonight, should be a stormer!

Minnie M
31st-May-2004, 07:33 AM
Could make it last night :tears:

How was it ? and results please :flower:

Martin
31st-May-2004, 07:51 AM
Yes please anyone got the results?

Missy D
31st-May-2004, 09:51 AM
Results:- Will & Kate.... Steve & Julie got through to the final.:clap:

RobC
31st-May-2004, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Martin
Yes please anyone got the results?
Will & Kate and Steve & Julie were the 2 couples to go through to the finals. Adam has decided to not announce places this year, only that those were the top 2.

Note to other competitors: They are penalising you by deducting marks if you do more than the allowed 2 lifts per track. Will & Kate were picked up on it, not that it made any difference to the overall results :wink:

Dan
31st-May-2004, 10:32 AM
Yes, the standard of dancing was awesome. Congratulations to Will and Kate, Steve and Julie. Roger and Marianne outstanding in the Slow section.
Great format and wonderful opportunity to see the best dancers perform on stage without other competitors and being able to concentrate and 'judge' on the merits of each couple in turn. I cannot understand how the adjustment in the results by the organisers for a breach of the rules can have made no difference to the results. I thought that the gaps between the top 3 or 4 couples would have been small enough to change the results.
In my opinion the best couple was Phil and Yuko. Their musical interpretation was brilliant in both tracks.
Thanks Adam and Nigel and the very talented competitors for this treat.

One suggestion, if I may. Would a change of venue make a diffrence to the results? It is natural that there will be a subconscious tendency to favour the local heroes - If Adam entered, he would win without even dancing !! :devil:
Seriously though. From the comments that I heard from a couple of '"gentlemen" in front of me about Yuko, and then about Roger -"not another F******* Japanese", before they even started to dance, it is worth considering. MJ is one of the most open and friendly environments I have come across, but it takes just a few individuals to spoil the work of the people with greater vision.
A more neutral venue would be nice.

Despite that, fantastic evening -

:clap:

Chicklet
31st-May-2004, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Dan
Seriously though. From the comments that I heard from a couple of '"gentlemen" in front of me about Yuko, and then about Roger -"not another F******* Japanese", before they even started to dance, it is worth considering. MJ is one of the most open and friendly environments I have come across, but it takes just a few individuals to spoil the work of the people with greater vision.
A more neutral venue would be nice.



*blood BOILING*
were these two "gentlemen" pointed out to the organiser and instantly banned from all future events?

I understand what you're getting at Dan but I think you've got two issues in your post, "neutral venues" in that not just the home competitors are cheered etc is one thing, but what you have described above is just disgusting and shouldn't be allowed in ANY venue.

:reallymad:

TheTramp
31st-May-2004, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Dan
One suggestion, if I may. Would a change of venue make a diffrence to the results? It is natural that there will be a subconscious tendency to favour the local heroes - If Adam entered, he would win without even dancing !! :devil: How would a change of venue help? Wherever you went, it would always favour one couple over the others. Someone will always be the 'closest' couple to any particular venue. Or able to bring the most friends along to that venue. As a competitor last year, you just accept that it's going to happen - competing against Mick and Cynty in the heat in the final, I was sure that we would have to dance a huge amount better than them in order to make it through, with their local support.

And I'm also disgusted by the 'gentlemen' that you overheard to. Unfortunately, that sort of behaviour also won't be solved by a change of venue (was Chigwell the only place where those men go to dance?).

Trampy

Dutchginger
31st-May-2004, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Dan
Roger and Marianne outstanding in the Slow section.


Thanks Dan :flower: We got a real buzz out of it and had a great time. Congratulations to Will & Kate and to Steve & Julie :cheers:

And I am simply too disgusted to even comment about the "gent's remark"...Sadly though Trampy is right: you'll get the odd bigot anywhere and changing a venue for that reason won't help...those people are simply lost to humanity :angry:

M.

Lory
31st-May-2004, 12:27 PM
I had a great evening, all the couples were very entertaining, I found it hard to judge, as each had 'something' that I felt they did best.

Marianne was lovely to watch in the slow section, she seemed to fill the entire room and Andy came to life during the fast track, really going for it!
Will and Kate's complexity of moves, couldn't be matched with their airsteps
And finally (IMO) the other couples looked well matched in their style and dance ability's.

The night had a great atmosphere and oooh so many good dancers in one room, I was spoilt! After being away for a couple of weeks, what a way to shake the cobwebs off! :D
Thanks to everyone I danced with.. too many to mention! But all brilliant! :yum:

I think Adam may have to consider changing venues in the future, not for the above reason but I simply think, due to it's success, it might get too crowded to be held in such a small space!

Lastly, some people are just unbelievable, I'm so glad I didn't hear those men say 'that', it would have spoilt my entire evening!
:angry:

Sheepman
31st-May-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Lory
Andy came to life during the fast track, I'm waiting to hear the most important news, what was his costume?!



Originally posted by Lory
I didn't hear those men say 'that', I agree that an instant banning is in order for something like this, isn't this verging on a criminal offence nowadays? I've never heard anything like this at any dance venue, and hope I never will.

Greg

Dan
31st-May-2004, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by TheTramp
How would a change of venue help? Wherever you went, it would always favour one couple over the others. Someone will always be the 'closest' couple to any particular venue. Or able to bring the most friends along to that venue. As a competitor last year, you just accept that it's going to happen - competing against Mick and Cynty in the heat in the final, I was sure that we would have to dance a huge amount better than them in order to make it through, with their local support.

And I'm also disgusted by the 'gentlemen' that you overheard to. Unfortunately, that sort of behaviour also won't be solved by a change of venue (was Chigwell the only place where those men go to dance?).

Trampy

Granted, each venue will have a couple closest to that venue. It is quite natural and understandable. The concept of audience judging is brilliant. But why limit the events to one venue?
Adam was not born short of brain cells and the Jivemasters competition has certainly put him and his organisation higher on the MJ map.
But, shouldn't the finals at least not be a special occasion held at more "neutral" venue easily accessible to more people. Seriously addicted MJivers will go anywhere if they will have a chance to see the best dancers and have a great get together and good time themselves. Think Blackpool, or dare I say Hammersmith! The point I am making is that the higher the proportion of people who will travel across the country to be there the more fair the results are likely to be. (am I talking sense?) Could be financially viable too.

With regard to the two men, I have not seen them anywhere else. Travelling would broaden their mind a little.

I am sorry that this thread has moved away from the main event which was brilliant.

:cheers:

Bill
31st-May-2004, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by RobC
Will & Kate and Steve & Julie were the 2 couples to go through to the finals.

which Steve ??? Thought it was Trampy at first but didn't think he had travelled south last weekend.

Lory
31st-May-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Sheepman
I'm waiting to hear the most important news, what was his costume?!



Andy went all out to shock us once again (and succeeded) he wore a PLAIN BLACK T SHIRT AND TROUSERS :what:

He did manage to steal his partners white feather bower for half the first dance though! :D

DavidB
31st-May-2004, 02:51 PM
I always enjoy the Jive Masters events, and this one was no exception. One thing in particular is that you get 200 people suddenly realising how hard it is to judge, instead of complaining about the results. Another thing I love is overhearing some of the audience's comments. Two from last night were:
- "What do they mean by musical interpretation?"
- "They are supposed to be advanced dancers, so why are they doing some beginner moves?"

But my favourite is still from last year:
- "They know the songs in advance. I expected them to have prepared a routine for each one."

David

Gus
31st-May-2004, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
I always enjoy the Jive Masters events, and this one was no exception. One thing in particular is that you get 200 people suddenly realising how hard it is to judge, instead of complaining about the results. David

Ahhh the peril of mortal man to be judged by is peers:wink: It raises all the issues about impartiality, experiemce, knowing what they are looking for etc. It does beg the question, if you cant trust some of the greatest dancers/teachers in the UK (e.g. Blackpool judges) to get it right, how can you expect a group of dancers, some of whom still can't do a double pretzel right, to judge the UKs dance stars??:sick:

Bill
31st-May-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
. Another thing I love is overhearing some of the audience's comments. Two from last night were:
- "What do they mean by musical interpretation?"
David


I think some judges might be wondering the same thing given the results at some events over the years :D :wink: :what:

Andy McGregor
31st-May-2004, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Sheepman
I'm waiting to hear the most important news, what was his costume?!

I'm the one in black, Sema is the one in white:whistle:

Can't see my face? At the very least, none of the guys were looking at it...

..and I think most of the girls were looking at Sema's fantastic shoes:waycool:

Emma
31st-May-2004, 06:52 PM
Fab night last night Adam! :cheers: Trying to judge was a real education...really really difficult to do.


Originally posted by Dan
The point I am making is that the higher the proportion of people who will travel across the country to be there the more fair the results are likely to be. (am I talking sense?) Could be financially viable too. I think it's fair to say (Adam correct me if I am wrong) that the audience last night was not what you'd describe as a regular Chigwell one - people seem to be travelling anyhow to get to the heats. I wouldn't really describe Will and Kate as the 'local' couple either (not sure about Steve and Julie!). As you say Dan most seriously addicted MJers *will* travel to see an event such as this, and they seem to be doing so. Also most seriously addicted MJers hopefully have the nouse to avoid favouring the competitors they know well.

I'm really looking forward to the next round - though am sort of hoping to avoid smacking the franchisee in the gob with my elbow next time! :blush:

PS Andy - Yes, Sema's shoes :drool: mind you, Kate's were pretty good too! :waycool:

Gus
31st-May-2004, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
I'm the one in black, Sema is the one in white:whistle:


Have to agree ... thats the best photo I've seen of you to date!:yum:

TheTramp
1st-June-2004, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Bill
which Steve ??? Thought it was Trampy at first but didn't think he had travelled south last weekend. I was actually there, but only in a spectating role.

Steve and Julie were the couple in the advanced final at Blackpool, dressed in black and green. I believe that they also placed (?) in the advanced at Ceroc??

Trampy

charlie_no_socks
1st-June-2004, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by DavidB
I always enjoy the Jive Masters events, and this one was no exception. One thing in particular is that you get 200 people suddenly realising how hard it is to judge, instead of complaining about the results. Another thing I love is overhearing some of the audience's comments. Two from last night were:
- "What do they mean by musical interpretation?"
- "They are supposed to be advanced dancers, so why are they doing some beginner moves?"

But my favourite is still from last year:
- "They know the songs in advance. I expected them to have prepared a routine for each one."

David

Yeah. Would make sense to spend five minutes before the couples start dancing to explain and even demonstrate each concept, as well as explain the difference between freestyle and routines. I'm sure if Jive Masters continues over the years there will be someone who choreographs something to each track.
In fact, someone will probably hire a professional choreographer to create something for them for each track.


Actually, I just changed my mind. Explaining would make no difference to most people. They should scrap the sections and just have one section (which is what it is anyway) 'who do you like the most'. After all, if someone gets up and dances, and it totally engages you, enthralls you, inspires you etc you shouldn't be analyzing whether they hit which break or whether their costume was pretty. Often when great art moves you, you can’t explain why and shouldn’t have to.

In an art competition they don’t give points for ‘brush stroke technique’ or realism, do they? They just choose the piece they think has made the biggest impact, for whatever reason. Imagine Picasso losing because someone held up a photo next to his painting and pointed out it didn’t look anything like it.

Musicality etc is just a tool to creating a magical dance. Not the end goal, right?

Divissima
1st-June-2004, 09:29 AM
Did anyone take home a pair of brown suede (somewhat worn) lace-up shoes (men's size 9)? TwK left them behind by accident. I've tried Ceroc Metro (who kindly contacted the David Lloyd Club) but they weren't handed in as lost property.

Many thanks.

Dreadful Scathe
1st-June-2004, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by DavidB

But my favourite is still from last year:
- "They know the songs in advance. I expected them to have prepared a routine for each one."


:D Others have suggested that to give the 4 catagories on the voting sheet is just asking for fake results. Many dont know what each section means and will mark high in them all for the couple they like. The only heat Ive been at was the Scottish one in Perth last year where overall i thought Brady and Sheena won it. Franck and Lorna were fantastic to watch but didnt win it for me because of the catagories we were to vote for, I'm wondering if Im the only one that takes voting forms literally :)

So, they should do away with those forms altogether and just have the 4 couples on a smaller form with boxes that you can mark 1 to 4 in based on who your favourite was.

Emma
1st-June-2004, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe
:D Others have suggested that to give the 4 catagories on the voting sheet is just asking for fake results. Many dont know what each section means and will mark high in them all for the couple they like. The only heat Ive been at was the Scottish one in Perth last year where overall i thought Brady and Sheena won it. Franck and Lorna were fantastic to watch but didnt win it for me because of the catagories we were to vote for, I'm wondering if Im the only one that takes voting forms literally :)

So, they should do away with those forms altogether and just have the 4 couples on a smaller form with boxes that you can mark 1 to 4 in based on who your favourite was. Yeah I was having this very conversation yesterday - I ended up with 'winners' on my fom on Sunday who actually I would not have chosen as the 'best' had I been asked to do a straight first second, third etc. The ones I marked highest just had to win given the categories I marked them on but personally I didn't enjoy their section best. It was certainly an interesting insight into judging. :)

The other thing I was pondering was the section called 'complex moves'. Is an aerial necessarily a complex move, or could it sometimes be regarded as something rather simple yet not generally done because of the danger aspect....does the (relative) danger/rareness of an aerial move make it 'complex'? :confused:

Andy McGregor
1st-June-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by TheTramp
I was actually there, but only in a spectating role.

Trampy

Here is the Tramp as a spectator - as usual he stands out from the crowd:whistle:

charlie_no_socks
1st-June-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Emma


The other thing I was pondering was the section called 'complex moves'. Is an aerial necessarily a complex move, or could it sometimes be regarded as something rather simple yet not generally done because of the danger aspect....does the (relative) danger/rareness of an aerial move make it 'complex'? :confused:


Yeah!!! Whats that about 'complex' ? Whats the inherent value in complexity?

Great dancing often hides complexity. Like Beckham bending a ball: apparently it would take a computer several minutes (or was it hours?) to calculate the trajectory required for many of the goals Davey boy kicks in a split second. Looks simple though, doesn't it?

I think most people would think of pretzely type moves as complex, although mechanically ariels are much more complicated. You shouldn't get points for either unless you found them exciting to watch, I think.

Bill
1st-June-2004, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by TheTramp
I was actually there, but only in a spectating role.

Trampy

you don't stand still for very long do you :D And you'll be back for the class tonight I assume:na:

Bill
1st-June-2004, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe
:The only heat Ive been at was the Scottish one in Perth last year where overall i thought Brady and Sheena won it. Franck and Lorna were fantastic to watch but didnt win it for me because of the catagories we were to vote for, I'm wondering if Im the only one that takes voting forms literally :)



Interesting because having been there ...and seen the video my impression is/was that James and Mel were the most complete 'dancers' and should have won.

At the time I remember a few folk saying that J&M didn't do many complex moves or big moves but in the video they do more 'big' moves and are much tighter in the moves they do than any of the other 3 couples. They were also the only couple who didn't make any obvious mistakes.

Lorna and Franck won because they looked as if they were having the most fun ! Brady and Sheena also did some fun moves which is perhaps what the crowd preferred.

Going to be very interesting to see who goes though this time :D :whistle:

David Franklin
1st-June-2004, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Emma
Yeah I was having this very conversation yesterday - I ended up with 'winners' on my fom on Sunday who actually I would not have chosen as the 'best' had I been asked to do a straight first second, third etc. The ones I marked highest just had to win given the categories I marked them on but personally I didn't enjoy their section best. It was certainly an interesting insight into judging. :)Last year, I certainly found that happened a lot. This round, the main problem I had was that marking 1-5 when you have 5 couples doesn't give enough range - it's rare someone will deserve worse than 2, and you don't want to give an early couple 5, in case someone clearly better in that category comes later, which means some couples are bound to get the same marks.



The other thing I was pondering was the section called 'complex moves'. Is an aerial necessarily a complex move, or could it sometimes be regarded as something rather simple yet not generally done because of the danger aspect....does the (relative) danger/rareness of an aerial move make it 'complex'? :confused: I wouldn't say they are automatically complex. In fact, I'd say most aerials are reasonably simple, although they require more precision (both in terms of position and timing) than most jive moves. Of course, everything is much more awkward when you're holding your partner's weight (or conversely balancing in the air), so you're not going to see the equivalent of a double pretzel up there very often! Personally I find it very hard to know what a particular airstep involves unless I've done something similar or had it explained, so maybe it's unrealistic to expect most people to judge the moves on technical merits.

I think 'complex moves' is a bad category anyhow - I don't see any particular virtue in complexity. I think something like 'difficulty of moves' would be closer to the organisers' intent - and it would be clearer how to treat airsteps, multiple attitude spins etc...

Dave

Jayne
1st-June-2004, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by charlie_no_socks
I'm sure if Jive Masters continues over the years there will be someone who choreographs something to each track.

:rofl: Do you have any idea how long it takes to choreograph, learn, practice, perfect and perform 40 minutes of dancing????

J :nice:

TheTramp
1st-June-2004, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Bill
you don't stand still for very long do you :D And you'll be back for the class tonight I assume:na: Of course. I know that you'd miss me too much if I wasn't.

Thanks for the photo Andy. Who was it that was so bored with watching you perform, that they took a photo of the audience???

Trampy

Gadget
1st-June-2004, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Emma
The other thing I was pondering was the section called 'complex moves'. Is an aerial necessarily a complex move, or could it sometimes be regarded as something rather simple yet not generally done because of the danger aspect....does the (relative) danger/rareness of an aerial move make it 'complex'? :confused:

Good question.

To a beginner, an octopus looks (and is) complex. Same with a pretzel or any other arm twisty moves - how do you define "complexity" or even "difficulty"? What may look simple is really complex and what may look complex is really simple.
I used to think that Marc's dancing looked really difficult, but having been shown a few things, it's lost a lot if it's mysticism. {Still very smooth and twisty, but not on as high a pedestal as I had him on :wink:}

I think that "difficulty/complexity" only measures the judge, not the competitor: Perhaps it should be replaced with "originality" - that may balance out some of the "local bias" that people think exists.

Andy McGregor
1st-June-2004, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by TheTramp
Thanks for the photo Andy. Who was it that was so bored with watching you perform, that they took a photo of the audience???

Trampy

My wife, Sue - her excuse is probably that she's been watching me for 27 years:tears:

Also, she obviously saw a photo opportunity that couldn't be missed:devil:

TheTramp
1st-June-2004, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Gadget
I think that "difficulty/complexity" only measures the judge, not the competitor: Perhaps it should be replaced with "originality" - that may balance out some of the "local bias" that people think exists. At the jive masters final last September, I stood and watched a group of people mark their scorecards for one heat. The interesting thing is that they did this before the heat had even started. I'm totally positive that they weren't the only people who did this.

We don't think that bias exists. At least, in my case, I know it exists.

Trampy

jiveclone
1st-June-2004, 12:32 PM
The voting form did actually say (in the notes beneath where the categories were explained) that the complexity score should take account of originality of the moves.

Gus
1st-June-2004, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by jiveclone
The voting form did actually say (in the notes beneath where the categories were explained) that the complexity score should take account of originality of the moves.

Originality?? How many times have you seen someone being congratulated for a wonderfull new move, when you know they got it from Viktor or Nigel etc. .... and then Viktor or Nigel inform you they got it from xxx. What exactly IS an original move ... one you've personaly not seen before or one that the dancer has contrived in that moment of dancing inspiration?

Not sure but doesnt it come back to Dance couple A looking better than Dance couple B full-stop?

David Franklin
1st-June-2004, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Gadget
To a beginner, an octopus looks (and is) complex. Same with a pretzel or any other arm twisty moves - how do you define "complexity" or even "difficulty"? What may look simple is really complex and what may look complex is really simple. Agreed somewhat, though I think it's more true when you talk about easy/difficult rather than simple/complex.
I think that "difficulty/complexity" only measures the judge, not the competitor: Perhaps it should be replaced with "originality" - that may balance out some of the "local bias" that people think exists. At this point we part company; I think an "originality" mark would be far more judge dependant than the other categories. The thing is that the concept of relative difficulty makes sense, and so most dancers can at least vaguely rank moves in order of difficulty or complexity. Yes, different judges will see things differently depending on their own biases, but the idea broadly works.

But "relative originality" makes no sense. You're either original or you're not. And the big problem is that 99.99% of moves aren't original - they come from some other dance style, or even if the dancers made it up themselves, someone else did it 50 years ago. We "invented" a lift 2 years ago - we were dead chuffed - never seen anyone do anything like it. Literally one week later, we saw a video clip with another couple doing essentially the same move. There are only so many things two people can do together after all (did I really just say that? :blush: ).

Perhaps "uniqueness" is what you're after - moves that only a very few people can make work and look good doing so. But I think this then falls better into the difficulty and presentation categories.

Dave

Gadget
1st-June-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Gus
Originality?? How many times have you seen someone being congratulated for a wonderfull new move, when you know they got it from Viktor or Nigel etc. .... and then Viktor or Nigel inform you they got it from xxx. What exactly IS an original move ... one you've personaly not seen before or one that the dancer has contrived in that moment of dancing inspiration?
One you've not seen before - a move that you go "cool - wish I could do that/had thought on that/how did they do that?" It dosn't matter where the move originated from - you're the one judging - if it's new to you, it's origional.
As to a move being contrived at that moment of inspiration: isn't that what the whole dance should be like? How can you tell when one move enda and another begins? I am beginning to come to the conclusion that "moves" are simply the bits that join positions together - not the positions themselves.


Not sure but doesnt it come back to Dance couple A looking better than Dance couple B full-stop?

Just because you haven't seen something before, does not mean you like it or would want to emulate it - it may even have been poorly performed, but it would still be origional.


{edit}
The whole point is that it's bias judging - if you see a couple regularly on the floor dong these moves, then they will probably spread a bit through the venue and no longer be unique. Couples from outside the host venue will bring moves and style that the judging public are unfamilure with, hence balance out the favouritism towards the local company.

TheTramp
1st-June-2004, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Gadget
Couples from outside the host venue will bring moves and style that the judging public are unfamilure with, hence balance out the favouritism towards the local company. Nope.

Trampy

DavidB
1st-June-2004, 01:11 PM
As I understand it, the result is calculated by working out each couple's average placing. Given the number of judges, this would be a very good way of doing it. (If I'm wrong then hopefully someone will tell me.)

Any adjustments (for breaking rules) are made to these average marks. So if a couple is a long way ahead of the rest, breaking the rules won't make a difference. But in a close competition, it could make a lot of difference. (It should be made clear that this adjustment will be made by the organisers after watching the video, and the audience shouldn't worry about it. Otherwise you could get penalised twice.)

The marks themselves are only relevant to the individual judge in working out their ranking. So it doesn't matter if you mark a good couple with a '1' in a particular category, or start using decimal places if you thought one couple was only just better.

One thing is worth pointing out. Ceroc Metro manage to collate the results of 100+ judges in about 30 minutes. Ceroc Champs take over an hour to do 5 judges...

David

Andy McGregor
1st-June-2004, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
One thing is worth pointing out. Ceroc Metro manage to collate the results of 100+ judges in about 30 minutes. David

At Britroc Jane did it on a piece of paper for 7 judges in less than 5 minutes.


Originally posted by DavidB
Ceroc Champs take over an hour to do 5 judges...

David

But we don't know how the Ceroc Champs do their calculations...


Originally posted by DavidB
As I understand it, the result is calculated by working out each couple's average placing. Given the number of judges, this would be a very good way of doing it.David

The problem with taking the average mark is that you could end up with everyone's second choice winning: that would mean that the winners were not considered the best by any of the judges. This is why ballroom and ice dance use relative placement which takes into account the number of judges placing a couple in first place. That way you wouldn't end up with all of the judges being unhappy about having not chosen the winners!

DavidB
1st-June-2004, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Andy McGregor
The problem with taking the average mark is that you could end up with everyone's second choice winning: that would mean that the winners were not considered the best by any of the judges. This is why ballroom and ice dance use relative placement which takes into account the number of judges placing a couple in first place. That way you wouldn't end up with all of the judges being unhappy about having not chosen the winners! I understand and agree with relative placement for small number of judges (ie when your sample is significantly smaller than the total audience.) But I don't think the same arguments apply when the entire audience can judge, and the majority of them do.

- It is still a 'placement'-based system, and so avoids any problems associated with applying subjective marks when there is no common basis for doing so.
- An individual judge can do little to affect the outcome (which is possible if you average a small sample of judges.)
- And the chance of a couple winning without getting any firsts has to be significantly smaller than with a small sample.

David

Bill
1st-June-2004, 05:07 PM
I think in Jive masters the decision by the crowd will obviously be down to the 'local' favourites and to voting for friends. Some will be swayed by reputation but that happens at many comp anyway.

In some comps I think less experienced judges ( and some more experienced ones ) will do what Steve indicated some of the crowd were doing and virtually have a couple through to the next round before the music starts.


It would be nice to think that the public would be objective but as we all have preferred styles I would be swayed far more by musical interpretation and a 'smooth' style rather than lots of 'big' moves and a style that was more 'jumpy'. Others prefer big moves and a more lindy based style.

However, it would be lovley, though niave, to think that the audiences would vote for who they really thought danced 'best' rather than than for a friend or local representative.

Wonder if it makes the Scottish heat more difficult for the audience. Being a smaller 'community' most dancers up here know each other and even with Edinburgh, Glasgow, Dundee, Aberdeen, Perth and Stirling classes it's still a fairly tight circuit.

How would people vote if most of the dancers come form one club - would it be friends first ??????

Enjoyed the video of last year so might try and get down to watch this year.

Andy McGregor
1st-June-2004, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Bill
How would people vote if most of the dancers come form one club - would it be friends first ??????


I think this would be the best way of doing it. People from one club or area could vote for the best couple to go on to a national competition to represent their club or area. That way they would be picking the best people to represent them - who'd send their second or third best just because they were a mate?

Gus
1st-June-2004, 06:15 PM
Well ... I'm starting to get a little concerned. It appears that nothing is in place for either Manchester or Birmingham .... so if you live south of Hadrians wall and outside the Home Counties .... looking a bit fraught. Given the quality of dancing in Bristol, Notts, Manchester, Bru etc. ... where will these guys get to compete? Too late to call on ancestral links and get a place in the Scottish heats? :wink:

DavidB
1st-June-2004, 06:33 PM
All this 'local favourites' talk overlooks one little issue - who were the local favourites?

- None of the couples who competed on Sunday were regulars at Ceroc Metro events.
- The people who went especially for the competition would have known just about every couple there.
- And the couple perhaps least known in London (Steve & Julie) made it through to the finals.

I have no doubt that some people vote for their friends. Given the number of judges it is unlikely to have much effect unless you bring a whole coach-load down with you. The other couples have friends as well.

And I would expect people to vote for the couple they prefer - I thought that was the point of getting the audience to judge...

Andy McGregor
1st-June-2004, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
All this 'local favourites' talk overlooks one little issue - who were the local favourites?

I don't think there was a local favourite on this occasion. I also think the result was the right one.

However, that doesn't mean that there won't ever be or hasn't ever been a local favourite at any of the heats.

I think the final is the one where the crowd is more partisan and I also think that Adam might have a cunning plan:wink:

TheTramp
1st-June-2004, 11:58 PM
Indeed.

On this occasion, there might not have been a local boy or girl.

That doesn't mean that it won't happen at some point in the future. Or past. Or something :na:

Trampy

Martin
2nd-June-2004, 08:49 AM
Ok my view.

Firstly all credit to Adam for raising his profile and putting this on.

As to Trampy's observations mentioned below.....

"At the jive masters final last September, I stood and watched a group of people mark their scorecards for one heat. The interesting thing is that they did this before the heat had even started. I'm totally positive that they weren't the only people who did this.

We don't think that bias exists. At least, in my case, I know it exists.

Trampy"

Well it will hapen a bit, but when you have 200 + judges it will work out [This thing is a personal niggle of mine due to past Sydney experience, must be said however, only 5 people have told me 1 judge does this...]


As to the oracle...

"One thing is worth pointing out. Ceroc Metro manage to collate the results of 100+ judges in about 30 minutes. Ceroc Champs take over an hour to do 5 judges...

DavidB"

To do this so quickly means there is no "human intervention" - take that how you like :D
So all good...


Now to Charlie - I am with him :cheers:

"'who do you like the most'. After all, if someone gets up and dances, and it totally engages you, enthralls you, inspires you etc you shouldn't be analyzing whether they hit which break or whether their costume was pretty. Often when great art moves you, you can’t explain why and shouldn’t have to.

Charlie_no_socks"

My point in competing is - "so did you like it, did it do it for you?"
OK, you are 200 people - who do you like best?

When I compete I think "have I entertained my friends and peers"?

Scrap criteria.

Doing double trouble at Ceroc UK champs, my main aim was to entertain and to make sure there was lots of new and entertaining stuff in there.
If the crowd were pleased I have done my job.
As it turned out - judges were pleased too :D
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Lory
2nd-June-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Martin
Now to Charlie - I am with him :cheers:


I'm with Charlie too, I'd rather just pick who I enjoyed the most, who gave the most inspiring performance and the ones who made me go WOW the most would come top! A straight 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc.......

I, like Emma, found that because of the way the marking was, it altered how I would have naturally placed some of the competitors.

As has been said before, the people judging (like me) are not professional judges (isn't that the whole point)? So how can we be expected to judge how complex or difficult something is, it will only be a guess anyway!

But, what we DO know, is if we enjoyed it or not!
:nice:

Little Em
2nd-June-2004, 12:26 PM
27th june!! :sick: :sick:

just wanted to say that me & alex will b in the heats on the above date....and after watching the heats sunday just gone i would like to say that we r now both petrified!!!!!! +:what:


all this talk bout the scoring system and everything....ur making us more nervous now!!

so just wanted to say if anybody will b down there when we dance..... we r just gonna go out there an dance our butts off!!! and enjoy ourselves!!:cheers:

so please dont compare us to the big 'stars'!!! ...we r scared enough!!!!

little em :innocent:

Bill
2nd-June-2004, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by littleemc-central

so please dont compare us to the big 'stars'!!! ...we r scared enough!!!!

little em :innocent:

Know how you feel little em.... Fran and I competed in the Scottish heat last year and were terrified before we went on. It wasn't too bad once we were dancing ...........maybe a few drinks might have helped :D :na:

Good luck in your heat :flower:

Dan
2nd-June-2004, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Bill


It would be nice to think that the public would be objective but as we all have preferred styles I would be swayed far more by musical interpretation and a 'smooth' style rather than lots of 'big' moves and a style that was more 'jumpy'. Others prefer big moves and a more lindy based style.



I agree, the dancers genuine enjoyment of the music and of the dance is more important than fitting in their "special moves". But there again I believe more in internal dancing, for personal enjoyment, than external dancing for show and therefore my judgement of competitors is probably based on the wrong criterion.
I do not care much for multipleturns with abrupt stops however dramatic they look and the only motive I would have to vote for that couple is to help with the medical bill.
I have often wondered what percentage of female dancers who when not dancing externally for others, would go for that kind of move, given the choice?

Await the flaming!


.

Little Em
2nd-June-2004, 12:36 PM
thank god we r not alone!!! :grin:

thank you for your reply!!!!

thanks for the luck aswell!! :flower:

i think a few sneaky drinks will do me the world of good before going on....but for anybody watching my spins at the heats if im a bit wobbly thats my excuse........ alcohol! :wink:

little em x x

Andy McGregor
2nd-June-2004, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by littleemc-central
just wanted to say that me & alex will b in the heats on the above date....and after watching the heats sunday just gone i would like to say that we r now both petrified!!!!!! +:what:

For us it was only scary from when I was asked by Nigel up to the moment we started dancing...

..once the music started the nerves seemed to disappear:clap:

Just try to enjoy it. Don't worry about the other competitors. I noticed that Will and Kate didn't even watch before they went on, they just sat quietly outside waiting their turn - that shows they're real pros:waycool:

Personally, I was watching the other couples, being really nervous and working out what moves to finish on - we'd not prepared any as we thought there'd just be a fade to finish after 2 mins of the track. The 10 seconds warning before the end meant that we needed a finish - and probably explains Sema's look of surprise at the end of the fast track:blush:

Sheepman
2nd-June-2004, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Lory
I'm with Charlie too, I'd rather just pick who I enjoyed the most, who gave the most inspiring performance and the ones who made me go WOW the most would come top! A straight 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc....... After judging at Jive Masters last year, I thought the judging criteria were sensible and helpful, however now I'm not so sure, especially after seeing DavidB's comments. If you've been dancing for years, seen hundreds (maybe thousands?) of different moves, tried moves of differing complexities, tried to be original in creating "new" moves, worked on musicality, etc. etc., then maybe you are qualified to judge using these criteria. I suspect that over 90% of the Jive Masters judges don't fall into this category, so I would favour just a placing from each judge. It could be argued that this will make local bias more likely, but if people don't even understand the criteria, is it really likely to affect their bias?

Greg

Gadget
2nd-June-2004, 01:02 PM
I think that at least part of the concept of having criteria was/is to demonstrate how difficult judging is; it gives those who normally compete a perspective on judging and may {perhaps} ease some of the flack judges seem to get about their decisions.

DavidB
2nd-June-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Sheepman
I thought the judging criteria were sensible and helpful, however now I'm not so sure, especially after seeing DavidB's commentsI like the criteria - even if it is just to make people think for a second before they write down their marks. I'm not quite sure what I said that made you think differently.

As an aside, although you usually get the same criteria in other competitions, Jive Masters is the only one where you have time to mark each one.


Originally posted by Dan
I do not care much for multipleturns with abrupt stops however dramatic they look and the only motive I would have to vote for that couple is to help with the medical bill. I have often wondered what percentage of female dancers who when not dancing externally for others, would go for that kind of move, given the choice?Some ladies love multiple spins. Quite a few have spent a long time learning the technique, and enjoy the chance to do them. Others don't. (It is the same with some of the men who follow. Gus for example loves multiple spins.)
Doing a 'sudden stop' afterwards should be more of an optical illusion than anything else. Not all parts of the body are 'involved' in the turn. for example the lady can spot her final turn, hit a line with the free arm, and even change her body line whilst finishing off the last half turn. All this catches the eye, and makes you think that the stop is abrupt. Similarly the man can change his body line right at the end increase the visual effect.

Done right it shouldn't involve much force at all. Any time you stop a turn, the lady's arm should be below shoulder height (her shoulder, not yours!) and in front of her body. That is the range where the muscles can do the work, rather than the tendons and ligaments.

But like many other things in dancing, do it wrong and you risk injury.

littleemc
Was that you and Alex I saw practicing some unusual (!) moves on the carpet outside?

ChrisA
2nd-June-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Dan
I do not care much for multipleturns with abrupt stops however dramatic they look and the only motive I would have to vote for that couple is to help with the medical bill.
I have often wondered what percentage of female dancers who when not dancing externally for others, would go for that kind of move, given the choice?

Await the flaming!No flaming, but a decent lead shouldn't be leading assisted spins in freestyle unless he knows how to do it, and can also be very confident that the lady will cope.

Also, a random number of assisted spins is pointless - the last one should finish at a suitable point in the music - and quite a few ladies can hear that coming just as well as the guy and are ready for the stop.

Chris

Sheepman
2nd-June-2004, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
I like the criteria - even if it is just to make people think for a second before they write down their marks. I'm not quite sure what I said that made you think differently.
This:-

Originally posted by DavidB
Another thing I love is overhearing some of the audience's comments. Two from last night were:
- "What do they mean by musical interpretation?"
- "They are supposed to be advanced dancers, so why are they doing some beginner moves?"

But my favourite is still from last year:
- "They know the songs in advance. I expected them to have prepared a routine for each one."

Greg

Martin
2nd-June-2004, 03:45 PM
littleemc-central , firstly you should do well as you are "known".

As to the rest of it - do your stuff and let the people decide :-)

Little Em
3rd-June-2004, 08:18 AM
we will go an strut our stuff!!!! :D

thanks :cheers:

x x any handy hints on how to battle the 'ol nerves?!? :wink:

Nicola
3rd-June-2004, 02:13 PM
Who else is going to Chigwell on the 27th?
Looking forward to putting some faces to the forum names :waycool:
Hopefuuly meet lots of you there-you wont know what I look like but I'll be the one going wild for Little-em and Al :clap: !!!!!!

cerocmetro
3rd-June-2004, 02:36 PM
Ok Guys
here are the competitors for the 27th June

Heat Two - June 27th
Chris Aucken & Jayne Dennis - London
Keeley Chamber & Simon Bowker - Bournemouth
Paul Richards & Sarah-Jane Brown - Southampton
Dave Martin & Jamie Dickenson - London
Emma Sabin & Alex Faulkner - Northampton

Good luck to all of them :yeah:

By the way, there isn't one "local" dancer in there.

Also if anyone spots the two gentlemen refered to earlier in this thread, please point them out to me so I can relieve them of their membership cards. :mad:
Adam

JiveMaster videos 2003 still available :rofl:

ChrisA
3rd-June-2004, 02:41 PM
JiveMaster videos 2003 still available :rofl:
He's telling the truth folks - thanks Adam, it arrived this morning. :cheers:

But gawd it makes depressing viewing... :eek:

Andy McGregor
3rd-June-2004, 02:45 PM
Also if anyone spots the two gentlemen refered to earlier in this thread, please point them out to me so I can relieve them of their membership cards. :mad:
Adam


I'll help, I'm part Japanese - the Karate part:devil:

Sheepman
8th-June-2004, 12:22 PM
Only 20 ... yup! I'm eagerly anticipating your alternative list of 20 Jive Masters tracks Gus!

Greg

Gus
8th-June-2004, 12:40 PM
I'm eagerly anticipating your alternative list of 20 Jive Masters tracks Gus!

Greg
Sorry ... can't be a*sed. If the Jivemasters competiton is based on BPM ranges outside the general MJ BPM range .. fine. Those that wish to compete know what they are getting. I have my personal preference for music, i.e. modern but I seem to be in the minority on that ... so if you dont mind I'll just stay out it all.:wink:

Gareth
9th-June-2004, 04:35 PM
Keeley Chamber & Simon Bowker - Bournemouth

:really:

Bristol have decided to claim sovereignty rights over Simon..............please return him to his rightful owners.

Bristol have started a campaign :


Just say ...................No to Bournemouth!!!!!!!!!!! :D



"Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol"

Andy McGregor
9th-June-2004, 04:44 PM
:really:

Bristol have decided to claim sovereignty rights over Simon..............please return him to his rightful owners.

snip

"Bowker for Bristol"

You are taking your life in your hands Gareth. Keeley is very scary in a Nina's Death Stare/Dominatrix/Kung Fu expert kind of way:devil:

Can I start a campaign to raise funds for Gareth's medical bill? :whistle:

Gareth
9th-June-2004, 06:18 PM
You are taking your life in your hands Gareth. Keeley is very scary in a Nina's Death Stare/Dominatrix/Kung Fu expert kind of way

Dominatrix??????????? Where do we sign up?

Is there any photographic evidence of this "stare"????????????????? :sick:

On the other hand..........................................


Maybe we can come to an arrangement :blush:

Perhaps some sort of on loan basis. :rofl:

Good Luck Simon and keeley. :cheers:

ElaineB
9th-June-2004, 06:56 PM
Dominatrix??????????? Where do we sign up?

Is there any photographic evidence of this "stare"????????????????? :sick:

On the other hand..........................................


Maybe we can come to an arrangement :blush:

Perhaps some sort of on loan basis. :rofl:

Good Luck Simon and keeley. :cheers:


Now see what you've done Andy - you started Gareth off on the Dominatrix theme!! That's fine talk when you are in London, but have pity on us here - he will be at the Bristol dance on Friday........ :rofl:

Anyway, I agree withe Gareth - Simon is a Bristol boy and I claim allegence - My Mother came from Bournemouth, so I claim allegence to Keeley also!!

Best of luck Guys - we will keep our fingers crossed for you!! :clap: :clap: :clap:


Elaine

Graham W
9th-June-2004, 07:16 PM
Modest as ever, simon - we were chatting about Best in the West & u neglect to mention u are doing the Masters!!

U and Keeley will do well I am sure...

Good luck, well in advance

G

Minnie M
9th-June-2004, 07:30 PM
:really:

Bristol have decided to claim sovereignty rights over Simon..............please return him to his rightful owners......../snip/.......Just say ...................No to Bournemouth!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't Keeley come from Bournemouth :confused: - well Adam has it right then :really: the lady should take the prime role / location

OR it should say Bournemouth/Bristol

- girl power :clap: :clap: :clap:

Whatever the location I wish them well, great dancers, both of them and dance beautifully together - however, it is a great line-up, it will be a very interesting evening - I MUST try and get there this time

Gareth
9th-June-2004, 07:37 PM
OR it should say Bournemouth/Bristol

I`ll compromise...............Bristol/Bournemouth :whistle:

Boy Power :na: :na: :wink:


"Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol" "Bowker for Bristol"

TheTramp
10th-June-2004, 12:28 AM
For sake of some peace and quiet, how about B/B?? :whistle:

Trampy

Lory
21st-June-2004, 05:43 PM
I've just looked at the Jive Masters website and it doesn't appear to have been updated from last year, :confused: am I looking at the wrong site?

I'd love to know who's in the next round and what music they might be drawing out of the hat/shoe this year? :na:

Andy McGregor
21st-June-2004, 05:57 PM
I've just looked at the Jive Masters website and it doesn't appear to have been updated from last year, :confused: am I looking at the wrong site?

I'd love to know who's in the next round and what music they might be drawing out of the hat/shoe this year? :na:

I think it's somewhere on this thread. But to save you looking here are the competitors:


Next jive masters heat is on Sunday 27th June
Chris Aucken & Jayne Dennis - London
Keeley Chamber & Simon Bowker - Bournemouth
Paul Richards & Sarah-Jane Brown - Southampton
Dave Martin & Jamie Dickenson - London
Emma Sabin & Alex Faulkner - Northampton

And here is the music:

Slow Section
1) Over You Will Young 119bpm
2) Sixteen Tons Tom Jones 110bpm
3) Spooky Dusty Springfield 110bpm
4) Wade in the Water Eva Cassidy 111bpm
5) Don't get around much Steve Tyrell 112bpm
6) Maddest Kind of Love Voodoo Daddies 112bpm
7) Why don't you do right Sienad O'Conner 112bpm
8) Mustang Sally Eric Clapton 115bpm
9) Smooth Santana 117bpm
10) Business of Love Domino 118bpm


Fast Section
1) Soul Bossa Nova Quincy Jones 153bpm
2) La Bamba Los Lobos 155bpm
3) Crazy Little thing called Love Queen 153bpm
4) Closer to the Bone Sam Butera 154bpm
5) Stormy Weather Royal Crown Revue 155bpm
6) Safronia B Love Dogs 155bpm
7) ABC of Love Louis Hoover 152bpm
8) The Snake Al Wilson 150bpm
9) It takes Two Marvin Gaye 152bpm
10) Shake your Tailfeather Blues Brothers 159bpm

Gus
21st-June-2004, 06:31 PM
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And here is the music:

Slow Section
2) Sixteen Tons Tom Jones 110bpm
3) Spooky Dusty Springfield 110bpm
5) Don't get around much Steve Tyrell 112bpm
7) Why don't you do right Sienad O'Conner 112bpm


Fast Section
3) Crazy Little thing called Love Queen 153bpm
4) Closer to the Bone Sam Butera 154bpm
5) Stormy Weather Royal Crown Revue 155bpm
6) Safronia B Love Dogs 155bpm
7) ABC of Love Louis Hoover 152bpm
9) It takes Two Marvin Gaye 152bpm


The tracks above ..... are they common tracks from your neck of the woods? Must admit that most of them I've never even heard of and the remainder I can't recall hearing. Is this a North/South thing or do I just dance in blizzfull ignorance of what the hip DJs are playing these days :sick:

Tiggerbabe
21st-June-2004, 06:55 PM
Crazy Little thing called Love - Queen 153bpm

Sometimes known as "Crazy French Guy Called Franck" and comes complete with it's own birthday cabaret performance :eek:

Gus - it's a Queen song :confused: - can't believe you've never heard it - although it's not played often up here.

The only one I've never heard is the Louis Hoover song - or at least it's the one that I don't think I've ever heard - the others I've heard of and danced to, although maybe not the same artist as is on the playlist. :flower:

Andy McGregor
21st-June-2004, 06:59 PM
The tracks above ..... are they common tracks from your neck of the woods? Must admit that most of them I've never even heard of and the remainder I can't recall hearing. Is this a North/South thing or do I just dance in blizzfull ignorance of what the hip DJs are playing these days :sick:

The ones Gus hasn't listed must be the ones he hears/plays regularly. And it's the same in my area. Of the ones Gus has listed that he doesn't hear played, I fairly regularly reguarly hear:

Slow Section

5) Don't get around much Steve Tyrell 112bpm


Fast Section
4) Closer to the Bone Sam Butera 154bpm
5) Stormy Weather Royal Crown Revue 155bpm
6) Safronia B Love Dogs 155bpm
7) ABC of Love Louis Hoover 152bpm

One thing I have noticed is that there are real regional variations in music. I think people must get familiar with tracks and they then become the bankers - for a while. The DJs/organisers who don't go anywhere else but their own nights are very different and, in my experience, less likely to play a set I like.

Anyway, back on thread. I'm going on Sunday: who else?

RobC
21st-June-2004, 07:28 PM
Anyway, back on thread. I'm going on Sunday: who else?
What ? :what: You're not going to MJC (http://www.monsterjivecocktail.co.uk/) :confused: :whistle: :hug:
Adam & Mandy are going to be at MJC :wink: :worthy: :clap:

Lory
21st-June-2004, 07:29 PM
I think it's somewhere on this thread. But to save you looking here are the competitors:
Thanks for that Andy! :cheers:

I think I've heard of all the Tracks, maybe cos I live in London! :D

But, I don't think I know ANY of the competitors! :blush:

I hope to be there too! :clap:

RobC
21st-June-2004, 07:38 PM
But, I don't think I know ANY of the competitors! :blush:


Surely you jest ?


Chris Aucken & Jayne Dennis - London
Our very own ChrisA


Emma Sabin & Alex Faulkner - Northampton
and if I'm not mistaken, littleemc-central

Lory
21st-June-2004, 08:16 PM
Surely you jest ?

Our very own ChrisA


Oh THAT Chris and Jayne! I didn't realise! :blush: :blush: :blush: Sowwy! :flower:

A certain 'A' was missing! :wink:

Good luck Guy's! :hug:


and if I'm not mistaken, littleemc-central
I'm not sure I know Littleemc-central in person? but the best of luck too! :flower:

Gus
21st-June-2004, 08:30 PM
IEmma Sabin & Alex Faulkner - Northampton


THAT EMMA? :drool: I thought her surname was Pettitt :confused: Never mind, wish I was there now ... feel a bit sorry for the competition. I think the first time I met Emma she was doing a treble or quad spin in 4 inch Gary Glitter boots :waycool:

DavidB
21st-June-2004, 09:01 PM
THAT EMMA?No - a different one. Same Alex though (I think)

Tiggerbabe
21st-June-2004, 09:35 PM
No - a different one. Same Alex though (I think)
Yup, same Alex and his partner Emma, with whom he won the intermediate competition in London at the Ceroc Champs.

Alex won the showcase in Blackpool with Emma Pettit (recently in Glasgow for the Showcase weekend) and I think they were second in London with the same routine.

:flower:

Tiggerbabe
21st-June-2004, 09:39 PM
Dave Martin & Jamie Dickenson - London

If I'm not mistaken, this is David & Jamie from "Kingdom of Dance", the "absolutely-gorgeous-and-divine-red-shoes" people :wink:

Andy McGregor
21st-June-2004, 09:53 PM
What ? :what: You're not going to MJC (http://www.monsterjivecocktail.co.uk/) :confused: :whistle: :hug:
Adam & Mandy are going to be at MJC :wink: :worthy: :clap:

There must be 2 Adams and 2 Mandys:confused:

Who is going to run Jive Masters...

RobC
21st-June-2004, 10:19 PM
There must be 2 Adams and 2 Mandys:confused:

Who is going to run Jive Masters...
Nigel ? Rumour has is that he won't be at MJC this year :sad:

Andy McGregor
21st-June-2004, 11:11 PM
Nigel ? Rumour has is that he won't be at MJC this year :sad:

Nigel is trying to start a rumour that he's got a hot date in Devon - what are the chances of that happening? :devil:

RobC
21st-June-2004, 11:14 PM
Nigel is trying to start a rumour that he's got a hot date in Devon - what are the chances of that happening? :devil:
Probably a lot higher than me getting a hot date in Devon - I'm not going to be anywhere near Devon :whistle:

:clap: :clap: I'm going to be in Surrey at MJC :clap: :clap:

Andy McGregor
21st-June-2004, 11:16 PM
:clap: :clap: I'm going to be at MJC :clap: :clap:

Oh, all right, I'll ask the question:yawn: :whistle:

And what are the chances of RobC getting a hot date at MJC? :innocent:

Gordon J Pownall
22nd-June-2004, 12:26 PM
Well ... I'm starting to get a little concerned. It appears that nothing is in place for either Manchester or Birmingham .... so if you live south of Hadrians wall and outside the Home Counties .... looking a bit fraught. Given the quality of dancing in Bristol, Notts, Manchester, Bru etc. ... where will these guys get to compete? Too late to call on ancestral links and get a place in the Scottish heats? :wink:

Aahhhh....but there is plans afoot to bring a JiveMasters heat to Scotland, Manchester and elsewhere as well - Adam is in the process of sorting out - if you thik there is a call for a regional heat (as in Scotland and Manchester), send an email and I'm sure he will try and accommodate.....you could also get last years (2003) JiveMasters video so people know waht to expect !!!! :sick:

Gordon J Pownall
22nd-June-2004, 12:29 PM
There must be 2 Adams and 2 Mandys:confused:

Who is going to run Jive Masters...

Adam will be back in good time for theJiveMasters.....panic not ye followers and faithful to the Mirror Man :drool:

Gordon J Pownall
22nd-June-2004, 12:31 PM
Oh, all right, I'll ask the question:yawn: :whistle:

And what are the chances of RobC getting a hot date at MJC? :innocent:

Time for a poll........ :eek:

Gus
22nd-June-2004, 01:21 PM
Aahhhh....but there is plans afoot to bring a JiveMasters heat to Scotland, Manchester and elsewhere as well - Adam is in the process of sorting out - if you thik there is a call for a regional heat (as in Scotland and Manchester), send an email and I'm sure he will try and accommodate.....you could also get last years (2003) JiveMasters video so people know waht to expect !!!! :sick:

Ahhhh ... but already spoken to Adam sometime back ... AND the local Ceroc franchisees..... Problem is JiveMasters is a Ceroc(tm) event ... and in the North-West Ceroc are only a 2 club operation .... and it would seem that this may be part of the reason that there are problems getting things together ... Now if they let some independants organise it who have access to the bigger venues, better dancers and who actualy know who the good dancers are ... :whistle: :devil: :wink:

Gordon J Pownall
22nd-June-2004, 01:39 PM
...Problem is JiveMasters is a Ceroc(tm) event ... and in the North-West Ceroc are only a 2 club operation .... and it would seem that this may be part of the reason that there are problems getting things together ... :whistle: :devil: :wink:


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...that would explain that then...

Guess the North West Ceroc empire needs to be expand then...I'm sure they'll sort it..... :devil:

Although hang on a minute.....JiveMasters is a CerocMETRO event surely - (I only teach for CerocMetro of course), but I would have thought it possible to open venue doors as well as dancer doors, ie. non-ceroc teachers / dancers competing in this (open albeit by invitation) competition...

Dunno - speak to the Mirror Man.... :worthy:


Oh, Just a thought ....

FRANCK.....CAN YOU HEAR ME..... :eek:

You really need to play Mirror Man by the Human League to introduce Adam at every single workshop, JiveMasters, fun class whilst he's in Scotland. I wonder how many times he will hear that song before he goes la la.....? :really:

Sheepman
22nd-June-2004, 01:44 PM
The tracks above ..... are they common tracks from your neck of the woods? Of the ones you've listed there are just 2 which I've not noticed being played, It Takes Two - Marvin Gaye, I can't recall that I've ever danced to this, and I'm not sure I want to. The other one, "ABC of Love" Louis Hoover, I may have heard it, but wouldn't know, though the reviews on it look good.

Greg

Dreadful Scathe
22nd-June-2004, 01:46 PM
You really need to play Mirror Man by the Human League to introduce Adam at every single workshop, JiveMasters, fun class whilst he's in Scotland. I wonder how many times he will hear that song before he goes la la.....? :really:
Now theres a good idea :D Appeals to my sense of humour anyway :)

Gordon J Pownall
22nd-June-2004, 01:51 PM
YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE...... :waycool:

Gadget
22nd-June-2004, 01:59 PM
What about Michael Jackson: Man in the mirror? (it was him, wasn't it?) :D
or The English Beat: Mirror in the bathroom?

or Britney Spears: Girl in the mirror
or The Who: Go to the mirror
or Velvet Underground: I'll be your mirror
...

Martin
22nd-June-2004, 02:06 PM
Ahhhh ... but already spoken to Adam sometime back ... AND the local Ceroc franchisees..... Problem is JiveMasters is a Ceroc(tm) event ... and in the North-West Ceroc are only a 2 club operation .... and it would seem that this may be part of the reason that there are problems getting things together ... Now if they let some independants organise it who have access to the bigger venues, better dancers and who actualy know who the good dancers are ... :whistle: :devil: :wink:

Thing is the independants did not organise it.

Adam had the vision and the balls to start it off.

So lets all support him.

As to "Ceroc" Adam is IMHO keen to try to get "everyone" involved :clap:

Business is business,Adam and Franck are IMHO the most open to being inclusive of everyone. Adam is trying hard to put on a good event - he even asked me if I could compete (non-Ceroc dancer). Unfortunately I was not in the country for the required period.

The fact that he is trying to put it out in different regions says heaps to his commitment to a truely great event for the dancers and spectators.

I did not learn from "Ceroc" but I have always felt welcome by Adam.

Martin

Gus
22nd-June-2004, 05:00 PM
Thing is the independants did not organise it.

Adam had the vision and the balls to start it off.

So lets all support him.
Martin

Martin,

think you misunderstand me. The 'local' heats are to be run by local Ceroc franchisees (so I believe) What I was suggesting is that there may be others in the North West who are in a better position to run the event as a partner with Adam. Wasn't for one second dissing Adams efforts. Come to think of it I'm not dissing the Ceroc franchisees ... just that they are the relative new boys to the area and they may not know who the competition dancers, nor have the venues to hold a major event in this area.

Tiggerbabe
22nd-June-2004, 08:03 PM
Oh, Just a thought ....

FRANCK.....CAN YOU HEAR ME..... :eek:

You really need to play Mirror Man by the Human League to introduce Adam at every single workshop, JiveMasters, fun class whilst he's in Scotland. I wonder how many times he will hear that song before he goes la la.....? :really:
Brilliant, Gordon :rofl: :rofl: but what do you mean goes la la? :whistle: :whistle:

Gordon J Pownall
23rd-June-2004, 12:32 AM
Have you never seen Adam go la la ???

It's a bit like this...

:clap: :eek: :devil: :mad: :angry: :drool: :rofl:

TheTramp
28th-June-2004, 12:25 AM
Congratulations to David and Jaime, and to LittleEm and Alex for getting through the 2nd heat of the jive masters last night :clap: :worthy:

Trampy

Lory
28th-June-2004, 12:32 AM
I'd just like to say well done to all the competitors, :worthy: they all did fantastically but all so different! Which is why it makes the judging so difficult, for me, its like asking what do I like the most, cheese or wine? :confused:

Anyway, I hope I'm not treading on anyone's toes here by announcing who got through this heat :blush: but here you go............

Dave Martin & Jamie Dickenson - London
Emma Sabin & Alex Faulkner - Northampton

Andy McGregor
28th-June-2004, 01:29 AM
I think ChrisA and Jayne were robbed. They were the most musical couple by miles: especially for the slow track which they danced like they had a routine worked out for that particular track - they were fabulous and I'm really disappointed for them, they must have worked so hard to be so good:tears:

The audience decides: is the audience always right? - Watch Strictly Come Dancing:innocent:

TheTramp
28th-June-2004, 01:38 AM
Interesting. I was talking to someone else, who said that Simon and Keeley were robbed....

Guess it is all a matter of perspective!!

Trampy

Andy McGregor
28th-June-2004, 02:08 AM
Interesting. I was talking to someone else, who said that Simon and Keeley were robbed....

Guess it is all a matter of perspective!!

Trampy

Simon and Keeley were robbed too. One of the couples that got through made so many mistakes in the fast track I was amazed when I heard they would be in the final - on my scorecard they were 5th! But they were very good looking:wink:

Must be the "Strictly Come Dancing" factor:wink:

The whole thing makes you question the "Audience Decides" concept :angry:

ChrisA
28th-June-2004, 08:47 AM
I think ChrisA and Jayne were robbed. They were the most musical couple by miles: especially for the slow track which they danced like they had a routine worked out for that particular track - they were fabulous and I'm really disappointed for them, they must have worked so hard to be so good:tears:

Thank you, Andy :flower:

We didn't watch any of the other couples dance, so we don't have a view of whether we were robbed or not, and we don't want to.

We were disappointed, I won't pretend we weren't - I think it's inevitable in any competition not to wish one had got further than one did.

But there were a lot of positive things in last night for us, and despite a tinge of disappointment still, I am very happy about the way things went.

Jayne and I have felt that we've been punching above our weight for some time, and when we were asked to do Jive Masters, we were stunned - we were completely over the moon just to be asked, and we had no expectations of getting beyond our heat. But we wanted to do the best we could, so we worked quite hard - going through some pretty rough times in practice to get to a point where we felt we had a chance of not completely disgracing ourselves, and of not killing one another too.

Overall, we were reasonably happy with the way it went, and several people who didn't need to say anything at all, said some very nice things to us afterwards. And we got some good and very practical feedback too, so we know what we need to work on.

So I guess when the disappointment wears off, it'll be onward and, hopefully, upward.

Chris :cheers:

Divissima
28th-June-2004, 09:25 AM
Chris and Jayne danced beautifully - huge congratulations on their performance. Paul Richards and Sarah-Jane Brown were also looking lovely - as always. It was a really tough heat, I thought - any of the couples stood a good chance of getting through.

I just wish the audience would get behind the dancers a bit more and make more noise - it must be so tough being up there on your own (no place to hide!).

ChrisA
28th-June-2004, 10:11 AM
Chris and Jayne danced beautifully - huge congratulations on their performance.

Thanks, Divi :flower:

I've had all kinds of troubles posting this morning, here's the end of the post that was meant to go on...

A big thanks to Toby and Claire for all their support, and, of course, our congratulations to the couples going through.

And last but by no means least, a huge thanks to my wonderful partner Jayne for being so fab last night and for continuing to put up with me.
:flower: :flower: :waycool:

Chris

Bill
28th-June-2004, 10:25 AM
I just wish the audience would get behind the dancers a bit more and make more noise - it must be so tough being up there on your own (no place to hide!).

Despite the noise the Scots make at comps I noticed last year that they were quite subdued when each couple danced as though they had to be quiet and watch carefully.

Hopefully they will cheer on each couple this year ...especially the Dundee crew who have a vested interest in 7 of the 10 dancers !!! Will be particularly interesting as I don't think Phil is coming up till later this week so he and Sheena can get some practice and Denise and I are meeting up on Sunday.Nothing like getting plenty of practice in eh !!!!!!!!!

Hope there's a good crowd and a lot of noise on the 10th !!!

Andy McGregor
28th-June-2004, 10:28 AM
And last but by no means least, a huge thanks to my wonderful partner Jayne for being so fab last night and for continuing to put up with me.
:flower: :flower: :waycool:

Chris

It sounds like Jayne deserves a medal :whistle:

Lory
28th-June-2004, 10:29 AM
I just wish the audience would get behind the dancers a bit more and make more noise
Divi, you and Toby definitly won the prize for making the most noise :worthy: :clap: :hug:

Katie and I were too scared to make a lot of noise as we were sitting right next to the camera and mic :blush:

LilyB
28th-June-2004, 11:49 AM
From what I am reading, huge congrats appear in order for our very own Jayne & ChrisA. :clap: :hug: Never mind the results - you've obviously impressed & entertained a lot of people, & that's what counts most in my book. :cheers:

We were unfortunately "otherwise occupied" and couldn't make it to Chigwell last night (or anywhere else for that matter, for the next 2 weeks! :tears: ) Looks like we missed a hard-fought round and lots of terrific dancing from all the competitors.

Hopefully get to see a repeat performance (or better :drool: ) at W-S-M next month!

LilyB

Katie
29th-June-2004, 11:45 AM
I think ChrisA and Jayne were robbed. They were the most musical couple by miles:


:yeah: I thought you danced brilliantly. Musicality counts for a lot in my book. You were the most smiley couple by far! :clap:

Little Em
29th-June-2004, 11:49 AM
A TOTALLY AGREE!!!

i thought the dancing an the smiles were great putting the 2 together out there is hard!!! :worthy:

em x :innocent:

Andy McGregor
29th-June-2004, 11:22 PM
A TOTALLY AGREE!!!

i thought the dancing an the smiles were great putting the 2 together out there is hard!!! :worthy:

em x :innocent:

Putting anything together out there is hard. I say well done all of this months competitors :worthy:

Jayne
13th-July-2004, 01:58 PM
So who's competing next week then?

J :nice:

cerocmetro
13th-July-2004, 02:01 PM
So who's competing next week then?

J :nice:

Dale St Rose & Christina Devine
Gordon Pownall & Sally Ford
Keelan Leyser & Veronica Oliver
Patrick Henry & Galina Zangana
Simon Rich & Nicole Beckey


Adam

Gordon J Pownall
13th-July-2004, 02:10 PM
Dale St Rose & Christina Devine
Gordon Pownall & Sally Ford
Keelan Leyser & Veronica Oliver
Patrick Henry & Galina Zangana
Simon Rich & Nicole Beckey


Adam

Oh sh*t - I thought it was in August........ :really:

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally ...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sick: :blush:

DavidY
13th-July-2004, 06:10 PM
Well ... I'm starting to get a little concerned. It appears that nothing is in place for either Manchester or Birmingham .... These regional heats were mentioned on the original website but I can't find any reference to them on the new website.

Have plans for Manchester & Birmingham heats been dropped now? :sad:

Gordon J Pownall
14th-July-2004, 12:28 AM
These regional heats were mentioned on the original website but I can't find any reference to them on the new website.

Have plans for Manchester & Birmingham heats been dropped now? :sad:

contact Adam at ceroc@hotmailcom

:cheers:

Gus
14th-July-2004, 04:39 PM
Have plans for Manchester & Birmingham heats been dropped now? :sad:

If you find out ... let us know. It would be a shame ... just think of who is being missed; Pistol Pete (Stoke), Keith and Janey(Manchester), 'lil Lynn (Newcastle), Dusky Helen, Debbie (Ceroc Brum), Paul (Ceroc Newcastle) etc. etc. This guys are defiitely on a par with th competitiors so far ... and those are just the ones I know! There are many more in Ceroc Central region.

Andy McGregor
24th-July-2004, 11:46 AM
We'll be there to cheer them on :clap:

Here is the list of competitors:

Dale St Rose & Christina Devine
Gordon Pownall & Sally Ford
Keelan Leyser & Veronica Oliver
Patrick Henry & Galina Zangana
Simon Rich & Nicole Beckey

All the dancers I've seen before have very different styles and the audience will, yet again, have a difficult job to do.


On a less happy note, last time there was some, all too obvious, partisan voting. So much so the votes from those individuals were disallowed. They'd put their favourite 1st and all the others 5th :angry: Not only were they dishonest, they weren't very bright either...

A thought has just struck me, we put our names on our voting forms. Is Adam going to allow the cheats to vote this time?

Dance Demon
24th-July-2004, 12:08 PM
On a less happy note, last time there was some, all too obvious, partisan voting. So much so the votes from those individuals were disallowed. They'd put their favourite 1st and all the others 5th :angry: Not only were they dishonest, they weren't very bright either...

Interesting Point Andy.....Just goes to show how hard it is to find a truly fair system of Judging. I think letting the punters decide is a good idea, but as you say, there can be a lot of partisan voting. Maybe a system whereby there were no "home " dancers dancing in each heat e.g. ....Scottish heat had no Scottish dancers......London Heats had dancers from the North etc, then maybe that woulld eliminate some of the bias. On the downside, it would make things a lot harder to organise.....

Andy McGregor
24th-July-2004, 12:22 PM
Maybe a system whereby there were no "home " dancers dancing in each heat e.g. ....Scottish heat had no Scottish dancers......London Heats had dancers from the North etc, then maybe that woulld eliminate some of the bias.

I think there will always be a bias for people you know. In the finals of the Jive Masters where 3 couples danced at the same time it was difficult because you watched the people you knew more than those you didn't - well they were bound to say "how did I do".

I've given this some thought and I think that a competition that takes into account and celbreates the bias might be easier to run. For example, in the Scottish heat they were all Scots, they were choosing who was going to represent Scotland and whip those English and Australian dancers in the final. In those circumstances the audience will be looking for the best dancers rather than voting for their mates. If we could replicate that in areas around the country we'd have a great final with everyone supporting their local champion :clap: Of course we'd need to have a panel of judges for the final otherwise the winner would be the person who could bring the most supporters :wink:

Jive Brummie
25th-July-2004, 06:58 PM
I think there will always be a bias for people you know. In the finals of the Jive Masters where 3 couples danced at the same time it was difficult because you watched the people you knew more than those you didn't - well they were bound to say "how did I do".

I've given this some thought and I think that a competition that takes into account and celbreates the bias might be easier to run. For example, in the Scottish heat they were all Scots, they were choosing who was going to represent Scotland and whip those English and Australian dancers in the final. In those circumstances the audience will be looking for the best dancers rather than voting for their mates. If we could replicate that in areas around the country we'd have a great final with everyone supporting their local champion :clap: Of course we'd need to have a panel of judges for the final otherwise the winner would be the person who could bring the most supporters :wink:


:yeah: good idea...........


anyway, c'mon, c'mon, what were last nights results then.....I've been on the edge of my seat all day and my arse is aching :wink:

TheTramp
25th-July-2004, 07:00 PM
Umm.... It's TONIGHT James...

Takes place on the last Sunday of the month....

Trampy

Jive Brummie
25th-July-2004, 07:03 PM
Umm.... It's TONIGHT James...

Takes place on the last Sunday of the month....

Trampy


:blush: "TAXI FOR LEES!!!!"

TheTramp
25th-July-2004, 10:17 PM
The couples through to the final are Dale & Cristina and Gordon & Sally.... :clap:

Well done all :cheers:

Trampy

Tiggerbabe
25th-July-2004, 10:21 PM
Dale & Cristina and Gordon & Sally
Congratulations! :hug: :kiss: :clap:

Dance Demon
25th-July-2004, 10:44 PM
Congratulations! :hug: :kiss: :clap:
:yeah:

Lory
26th-July-2004, 12:14 AM
Pics hot off the press!

Gordon and Sally! :worthy: :clap:

Lory
26th-July-2004, 12:17 AM
Dale and Cristina! :waycool: :clap:

Lory
26th-July-2004, 12:23 AM
Simon Rich & Nicole Beckey

Tiggerbabe
26th-July-2004, 12:24 AM
Great pics Lory - was waiting up, just in case :wink:
Thanks, looks like it was a fab night :D

Lory
26th-July-2004, 12:27 AM
Patrick Henry & Galina Zangana

TheTramp
26th-July-2004, 12:27 AM
Fantastic move in the 3rd pic there Cristina.... :whistle: :D

Trampy

Lory
26th-July-2004, 12:29 AM
Keelan Leyser & Veronica Oliver

Lory
26th-July-2004, 12:32 AM
Group shot!

Tiggerbabe
26th-July-2004, 12:40 AM
Trust Adam! (It is Adam isn't it?) Standing right in front of Cristina :rofl: :rofl: and what did you do to Veronica, Lory? :whistle:
Check out Patrick's shoes too :worthy: :drool:

Lory
26th-July-2004, 12:59 AM
Trust Adam! (It is Adam isn't it?) Standing right in front of Cristina :rofl: :rofl: and what did you do to Veronica, Lory? :whistle:
Check out Patrick's shoes too :worthy: :drool:
Yes it was Adam :rolleyes: And I think Veronica must have been adjusting her Stockings or something! :na:

Minnie M
26th-July-2004, 01:22 AM
(from Go Christina thread) ...../snip/ '''' I've added a picture of Gordy and Sal as well as they qualified too :clap: . Well done, you were both brilliant, all you need now is a few stunning airsteps for the final...

:yeah:

Real shame about Simon & Nicky - too many lifts I think, they broke the rules :tears: but they were really good, especially the slow track :worthy:

Great evenings entertainment PLUS lots of great dances (including a very sexy one with Adam :drool: )

Great seeing Emma too :clap:

Worth the 2 and a half hour drive up there (took half the time to get back)

Andy McGregor
26th-July-2004, 01:29 AM
Worth the 2 and a half hour drive up their (took half the time to get back)

In August we need to leave earlier to miss the traffic. Sue's talking about a Sunday shopping mission to Bluewater, there'll be shoes and shoes and shoes and ..

..shoes.

..possibly matching handbags :wink:

kriss
26th-July-2004, 01:36 AM
Fantastic move in the 3rd pic there Cristina.... :whistle: :D

Trampy

Glad u like it Steve, a very nice guy in Scotland let me have it!!!! :whistle:
I wonder who? :wink:

under par
26th-July-2004, 07:24 AM
congratulations to you Dale and your partner Kriss, I couldn't get there to watch as I was on nights so hope you enjoyed the experience.
:cheers:
see you next week maybe. :hug: :worthy:

Gus
26th-July-2004, 08:16 AM
Now that all the fun is over can anyone give a quick bio of a coupele of the dancers? I know Dale & Kriss and GP and Bunny, but who are Keelan Leyser & Veronica Oliver and must admit I dont know much about Simon Rich & Nicole Becke. Think I saw Simon dancing at Blackpool but not really heard much about him to date. Where do they dance/teach?

Yogi_Bear
26th-July-2004, 08:45 AM
:yeah:

Real shame about Simon & Nicky - too many lifts I think, they broke the rules :tears: but they were really good, especially the slow track :worthy:

Great evenings entertainment PLUS lots of great dances (including a very sexy one with Adam :drool: )

Great seeing Emma too :clap:

Worth the 2 and a half hour drive up there (took half the time to get back)
I agree - and in my view Dale and Kriss were really cool. Have you been to Jivemasters before, Minnie? I may have danced with you....not sure!
:flower: YogiB

TheTramp
26th-July-2004, 09:36 AM
Now that all the fun is over can anyone give a quick bio of a coupele of the dancers? I know Dale & Kriss and GP and Bunny, but who are Keelan Leyser & Veronica Oliver and must admit I dont know much about Simon Rich & Nicole Becke. Think I saw Simon dancing at Blackpool but not really heard much about him to date. Where do they dance/teach?
Ummm.... can't help you much on Keelan and Veronica. I only met them last week down at the Bristol comp. They were in the final of the intermediates there, but didn't get placed.

Can't tell you anything about the other couple in the heats either - Patrick Henry & Galina Zangana.

Simon and Nicole competed at Blackpool in the advanced this year, where they reached the semi-final of the advanced. They also reached the semi-final of the Open at the Ceroc champs in London. Nicole is a Ceroc teacher, while Simon was in the Jive Masters last year, competing with Christine, and they did very well - getting to the final at Walthamstow, where they were in the same 'round' as Nicky and Robert.

It's a shame that Simon did too many lifts, and hence lost out on 1st or 2nd place. Didn't he do this before as well - seem to recall something??

Trampy

Minnie M
26th-July-2004, 09:51 AM
Minnie? I may have danced with you....not sure!

Last night was my third visit to a Jive Master's heat at Chipwell - have been to all the Walthamstowe events - in fact I was on the door at last year's final (with Sally aka Jive Bunny)

Didn't stop dancing last night, I was on cloud 9 as I managed to get a dance with ALL the best dancers, Dale, Gordy, Adam, Nigel (my senior dance partner) etc., etc., (missed a dance with Andy :tears: - he usually gives me my warm-up dance and well appreciated it is too :worthy: )

Will get someone to introduce us - I'll ask Andy McG or Lory to point you out, hope to make the next Jive Masters heat in August - looking forward to meeting you :hug:

Emma
26th-July-2004, 09:53 AM
Great night last night - congratulations to Dale and Cristina and Gordon and Sally!! :clap: :clap:

It was clearly an extremely close competition as the penalty point(s) were enough to move the first place couple to third place... I know I found it really really hard to judge - it could have been any of the top three going through (and from what Adam said when he announced the 'winners' it seems very likely that Simon and Nicole will also go through :) ), I thought each of them had strong individual strengths.

I had some lovely dances too - thanks to all of my forum friends for their dances (and especially to Lory for persuading me off the sofa! :hug: )

Minnie M
26th-July-2004, 10:01 AM
Ummm.... can't help you much on Keelan and Veronica. ........./snip/.........Can't tell you anything about the other couple in the heats either - Patrick Henry & Galina Zangana.

RobC can tell you about Veronica - lovely girl, she came up with us in the Coach to Blackpool this year and I think she competed with him.

I used to dance with Patrick when I first started dancing at Notra Dame in London (about 10 years ago) - he was just as good then as he is now. IMO he had the wrong partner last night, she was too big for him and had no flare (think it was his girlfriend) he has great musicallity but it did not show at all. Not seen him competing, so I assume he must teach.

TheTramp
26th-July-2004, 10:04 AM
Minnie dear...

You really must stop before posting, and consider what you're posting...

How would you feel if you were Galina (or Patrick), and logged on this morning, and read that???

You can think it. You can even say it to a few close friends. But to put it onto a national (worldwide) forum, for 1000 people (plus guests) to read, is maybe a little too much??

Trampy

Minnie M
26th-July-2004, 10:08 AM
Minnie dear...

You really must stop before posting, and consider what you're posting...

How would you feel if you were Galina (or Patrick), and logged on this morning, and read that???

Trampy

:blush: yes you are right :blush: I didn't think it was rude, I was just expressing my views - it is such a shame you can't do that here on an open forum and that you have to think before posting - it means you can't ever post negative views without being pounced up :tears: however, you are right and I must think before posting
I must think before posting
I must think before posting
I must think before posting
I must think before posting


Really sorry if I have offended Galina & Patrick

TheTramp
26th-July-2004, 10:12 AM
Oh. I think that you can maybe express negative thoughts. You just have to be very careful about how you express them....

Normally, you would be careful about who you would express them too. Obviously, that's not possible on an open forum. So, you just have to take much more care in what you say....

Trampy

Andy McGregor
26th-July-2004, 10:13 AM
for 1000 people

Wow! We should be well over 1000 by the BFG :clap: :waycool:

Lory
26th-July-2004, 10:17 AM
Will get someone to introduce us - I'll ask Andy McG or Lory to point you out, hope to make the next Jive Masters heat in August - looking forward to meeting you :hug:
I don't know who he is or if I danced with him either Minnie! :confused:
How can these forumites slip through the net? Emma, Sparkles, Eddie, Me and you were on the welcoming committee in the lobby too :wink: :rofl:

Lory
26th-July-2004, 10:22 AM
I had some lovely dances too - thanks to all of my forum friends for their dances (and especially to Lory for persuading me off the sofa! :hug: )
I really had a ball dancing with you Emma! Your a Fab lead! so is Sparkles and Jivebunny too..... all hail women who can lead! :worthy:

I had too many good dances to mention last night But have to say..Gordy and Adam ...... :yum:

Minnie M
26th-July-2004, 10:29 AM
I forgot to add (on a positive note) how great Gordy & Jivebunny looked - Gordy looked very dapper and sparkly (you would have loved his look Pammy) and Jive Bunny :drool: well the word glamerous comes to mind and the red flower in her hair matched perfectly with Gordy's shirt - they really looked a dashing couple (see Lory's photo's you will see what I mean)

Gordon J Pownall
26th-July-2004, 10:29 AM
I had too many good dances to mention last night But have to say..Gordy and Adam ...... :yum:


Why thank you you flirty thing you - must say a Lory and Holly double trouble sandwich was a dream come true...!!! :whistle: :whistle: :yum:

In fact it was so good, Adam had to have a go as well...... :what:

Robin
26th-July-2004, 10:29 AM
At the risk of blowing our own trumpet, I assume that everyone enjoyed the music last night ? ... I know we did !
:D

Andy McGregor
26th-July-2004, 10:33 AM
well the word glamorous comes to mind and the red flower in her hair matched perfectly with Gordy's shirt - they really looked a dashing couple (see Lory's photo's you will see what I mean)

Is that why Gordy was wearing the red shoes? I thought they didn't match his suit and must match the handbag he'd left under his chair :devil:

Andy McGregor
26th-July-2004, 10:34 AM
At the risk of blowing our own trumpet, I assume that everyone enjoyed the music last night ? ... I know we did !
:D

Great music, needed another 2 or 3 hours of it :waycool:

Emma
26th-July-2004, 10:34 AM
At the risk of blowing our own trumpet, I assume that everyone enjoyed the music last night ? ... I know we did !
:DVery much so :clap:

Would have come up to say at the end, only Adam was herding everyone out as fast as poss! :nice:

LilyB
26th-July-2004, 11:08 AM
Congratulations to Dale & Christina, and to Gordy & Sal. :clap: Sorry we couldn't get there to support all our friends - went to the Farnborough Airshow and got rather wet & windblown. :sick:

Sorry to hear that Simon & Nicole had to have points deducted for doing too many aerials - a bit too close to home that. :blush: BTW both Nicole & Simon are now Ceroc teachers, teaching for Billco's Ceroc Reading. :flower:

LilyB

Lory
26th-July-2004, 11:11 AM
Great music, needed another 2 or 3 hours of it :waycool:
:yeah: the evening went far too quickly! Well done Robin and Tez! :hug:

cicamica
26th-July-2004, 11:39 AM
Hi Everybody,

Thank you for the kind support we got from so many of you! Special thank you for my partner Keelan. Though we did not make it through it was a fab fun to be in a competition with such great dancers. You have not seen the last of us. That is a promise not a threat. :nice:

Divissima
26th-July-2004, 12:00 PM
Congratulations to Gordy and GroovyD and their respective partners. Sounds like it was a very close match last night - TwK and I were really sorry to miss it. We were on our way back from Beach Boot Camp (am intending to post full details of the 'Big Love Show' when I have a moment) :waycool:

DavidB
26th-July-2004, 12:15 PM
You can think it. You can even say it to a few close friends. But to put it onto a national (worldwide) forum, for 1000 people (plus guests) to read, is maybe a little too much??Yes & no. By accepting an invitation to the Jive Masters, you are asking for a few hundred people to analyse your dancing and compare you to other couples. It is already in a public forum.

Having said that, there are ways of saying things in public that can be more diplomatic. A good tip it to talk about how a couple interact with each other, rather than singling one individual out for criticism. (Unless of course it is Will...)

(And I wasn't at Jive Masters, so can't comment on anyone!)

Peter
26th-July-2004, 12:22 PM
We were on our way back from Beach Boot Camp (am intending to post full details of the 'Big Love Show' when I have a moment)

HURRY UP ...... we can barely wait to hear ...

PS I have watched the video 3 times so far ... IT IS AWESOME .. you are sooooo cool .....

TheTramp
26th-July-2004, 12:29 PM
Yes & no. By accepting an invitation to the Jive Masters, you are asking for a few hundred people to analyse your dancing and compare you to other couples. It is already in a public forum.

Having said that, there are ways of saying things in public that can be more diplomatic. A good tip it to talk about how a couple interact with each other, rather than singling one individual out for criticism. (Unless of course it is Will...)

(And I wasn't at Jive Masters, so can't comment on anyone!)
I was commenting on how things were said, and the small lack of diplomacy, rather than on whether or not the results and your opinions can be posted.... Which you then agreed with. So, yes and yes!!

Of course people can analyse and comment on what they saw. It's the way that it was done that wasn't quite right on this occasion.

Though. Of course we can comment any way you want on Will. If only Kate could find a decent partner..... :worthy:

Trampy

Peter
26th-July-2004, 12:34 PM
Of course we can comment any way you want on Will. If only Kate could find a decent partner.....

She certainly could have done with one on Sat night in the GREAT LOVE SHOW ...

Gordon J Pownall
26th-July-2004, 12:48 PM
Of course we can comment any way you want on Will. If only Kate could find a decent partner..... :worthy:

Trampy

Now then Trampy - play nice.... :blush:

You shouldn't mock the afflicted :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:


(although is it Will who is afflicted or Kate having to dance with Will...???) :sick: :whistle:

Divissima
26th-July-2004, 01:47 PM
HURRY UP ...... we can barely wait to hear ... New thread is pending approval - I should probably have thought to post it in another forum, but I think it belongs in Social Events.

Jayne
26th-July-2004, 01:59 PM
New thread is pending approval - I should probably have thought to post it in another forum, but I think it belongs in Social Events.
I cunningly started one in the "let's talk about dance" since with all those rehearsals & little time off it was more about dance than a social event!!! :rofl:

J :nice:

Simon r
26th-July-2004, 02:12 PM
Simon and Nicole competed at Blackpool in the advanced this year, where they reached the semi-final of the advanced. They also reached the semi-final of the Open at the Ceroc champs in London. Nicole is a Ceroc teacher, while Simon was in the Jive Masters last year, competing with Christine, and they did very well - getting to the final at Walthamstow, where they were in the same 'round' as Nicky and Robert.

It's a shame that Simon did too many lifts, and hence lost out on 1st or 2nd place. Didn't he do this before as well - seem to recall something??

Trampy
Right as normal Mr Trampy i did the same with christine at bristol last year were we in 1st place but got chucked out for to many lifts.

It was totaly my fault Nicole even said no as i was throwing her.
well done to Dale and Christine and Gordy.

We were both very dissapointed but rules are rules isnt that right Lily. :rofl:

Adam did say we should still go through as highest runners up but we will see what happens as still a few heats to go.

Thanks for the support from everyone there.
Lots of love simon and nicole

TheTramp
26th-July-2004, 02:24 PM
It's amazing really. I think that you're the 3rd couple that have been penalised this year for doing too many lifts...

Maybe they should give counting lessons to all the JM competitors... :devil:

Trampy

Simon r
26th-July-2004, 02:48 PM
i still do not think that would help as i was lost in the music ...
:sick:
Next time could you shout when ive done my limit then ill know to stop. :D

Jayne
26th-July-2004, 02:52 PM
HURRY UP ...... we can barely wait to hear ...

PS I have watched the video 3 times so far ... IT IS AWESOME .. you are sooooo cool .....
How did you get a copy of the video?

J :green eyes:

Peter
26th-July-2004, 03:03 PM
How did you get a copy of the video? J :green eyes:

... cos i filmed it! Centre stage, wide angled lens ... the heart looks fantastic ... Ian also filmed it, from near the spotlight, with camera operator .. we will cut & paste from one to the other, cut out the boring bits (not many of those!) and .. hey presto .. BURN THE FLOOR will be no more ...

Jayne
26th-July-2004, 03:11 PM
... cos i filmed it! Centre stage, wide angled lens ... the heart looks fantastic ... Ian also filmed it, from near the spotlight, with camera operator .. we will cut & paste from one to the other, cut out the boring bits (not many of those!) and .. hey presto .. BURN THE FLOOR will be no more ...
Cool! So how and when will we able to get a copy of the edited version?

J :nice:

Will
26th-July-2004, 03:38 PM
Having said that, there are ways of saying things in public that can be more diplomatic. A good tip it to talk about how a couple interact with each other, rather than singling one individual out for criticism. (Unless of course it is Will...)
Though. Of course we can comment any way you want on Will. If only Kate could find a decent partner.....
She certainly could have done with one on Sat night in the GREAT LOVE SHOW ...
Now then Trampy - play nice....
You shouldn't mock the afflicted (although is it Will who is afflicted or Kate having to dance with Will...???) I hope all your crotches get infested with the flies of a thousand camels, and that your arms are too short to scratch it!

cicamica
26th-July-2004, 04:18 PM
Well done Will!!! Good on you! About time you have stood up for yourself!They had it coming!

TheTramp
26th-July-2004, 04:39 PM
I hope all your crotches get infested with the flies of a thousand camels, and that your arms are too short to scratch it!
Temper, Temper... :whistle: :D :na:

Trampy

Yogi_Bear
26th-July-2004, 05:24 PM
Last night was my third visit to a Jive Master's heat at Chipwell - have been to all the Walthamstowe events - in fact I was on the door at last year's final (with Sally aka Jive Bunny)

Didn't stop dancing last night, I was on cloud 9 as I managed to get a dance with ALL the best dancers, Dale, Gordy, Adam, Nigel (my senior dance partner) etc., etc., (missed a dance with Andy :tears: - he usually gives me my warm-up dance and well appreciated it is too :worthy: )

Will get someone to introduce us - I'll ask Andy McG or Lory to point you out, hope to make the next Jive Masters heat in August - looking forward to meeting you :hug:
Minnie - yes, I keep looking out for a personalised t-shirt! i had no idea so many forumites were there last night, honestly! Perhaps I will start asking dance partners if they are... :)
yb

Yogi_Bear
26th-July-2004, 05:28 PM
I don't know who he is or if I danced with him either Minnie! :confused:
How can these forumites slip through the net? Emma, Sparkles, Eddie, Me and you were on the welcoming committee in the lobby too :wink: :rofl:
Lory - great photos, many thanks! :)
I had no idea so many forumites were at Chigwell last night! Maybe I need to be more proactive... :waycool:
All in all the best Jive masters yet IMHO, plus excellent music and I had more thsan my usual quota of dances....
yb

Jive Brummie
26th-July-2004, 05:50 PM
Fantastic move in the 3rd pic there Cristina.... :whistle: :D

Trampy

yeah, it's the one Simon Rich put his partner in, in this years Blackpool advanced.... :whistle:

j....

Jive Brummie
26th-July-2004, 05:59 PM
Well done to everyone who competed last night.....sounds like you all did brill.

'specially Dale & Christina...... :worthy: ......we knew you'd get through :waycool:

Andy McGregor
26th-July-2004, 08:40 PM
Toast night was my third biscuit to a Jive Meatster's heat at Chipwell - have been to all the Walthamstowe mints - in fact I was on the door at last year's buffet (with Salty aka Jive Bun)


Has anyone noticed that Minnie's typos are taking on a food theme: anyone guess that she's on a diet? :wink:

MinnieM - Do not feed - please :waycool:

She's serious this time, size 12 is her ultimate goal, go Minnie :flower:

Chips anyone? :devil:

Forte
26th-July-2004, 10:01 PM
Has anyone noticed that Minnie's typos are taking on a food theme: anyone guess that she's on a diet? :wink:

MinnieM - Do not feed - please :waycool:

She's serious this time, size 12 is her ultimate goal, go Minnie :flower:

Chips anyone? :devil:


:what: :really: Eeeek! How dare you mention a woman's dress size on this forum! You cad! Sir. Have you no understanding of the female psyche! :wink:

Minnie M
26th-July-2004, 10:41 PM
What a cheeky monkey that Andy McG is - I thought ( for a split second )that I REALLY said that :blush: as I am a little obsessed with my new diet :really:

:rofl: :rofl:

Andy McGregor
27th-July-2004, 12:26 AM
:what: :really: Eeeek! How dare you mention a woman's dress size on this forum! You cad! Sir. Have you no understanding of the female psyche! :wink:

Ahh, but I haven't mentioned a woman's dress size. I've mentioned a dress size that a woman would like to be - I'm more than half woman myself :whistle:

p.s. Minnie did say "Chipwell": I put the rest in myself :devil:

Gary
27th-July-2004, 04:05 AM
Keelan Leyser & Veronica Oliver
What is the glowy stuff on his trousers and her shoes, and who do I need to kill to get some?

under par
27th-July-2004, 04:19 AM
What is the glowy stuff on his trousers and her shoes, and who do I need to kill to get some?


It is highly reflective material used by emergency services and the like.

when flash photography used it appears like that in the photo!!

Minnie M
27th-July-2004, 06:59 AM
Minnie did say "Chipwell": I put the rest in myself

Oh no :eek: I did too :blush: but I only had one (maybe 2) crisps on Sunday :tears:

Maybe I should ask fellow forumites to sponser me with rep points when I loose and neg reps if I am naughty or gain weight - I need all the help I can get - I want to be light enough to do those fancy drops

Forte
27th-July-2004, 10:31 AM
Ahh, but I haven't mentioned a woman's dress size. I've mentioned a dress size that a woman would like to be - I'm more than half woman myself :whistle:

p.s. Minnie did say "Chipwell": I put the rest in myself :devil:

Nope! Not letting you away with it. By mentioning a size a woman would like to be, you are implying she is bigger than that size and that is not on! (Didn't you see Nadia crying on Bib Bruvver last night because she had to weigh herself in public! :tears: So your claim to be half a woman shows you don't have the full necessary female point of view like Nadia who is all woman! :wink: )

TheTramp
27th-July-2004, 10:49 AM
Oh come on Forte.....

What woman ISN'T on a diet??? :na:

Trampy

Little Em
27th-July-2004, 12:44 PM
me!!!!

i eat like a horse all day long then dance off the calories!!!!! :clap:

TheTramp
27th-July-2004, 01:24 PM
me!!!!

i eat like a horse all day long then dance off the calories!!!!! :clap:
:worthy: :worthy:

Trampy

Simon r
27th-July-2004, 04:26 PM
me!!!!

i eat like a horse all day long then dance off the calories!!!!! :clap:
Is that true how much did you eat during your teacher training course then.... :whistle:

Little Em
27th-July-2004, 04:29 PM
i had a secret stash off those mars bars!!!! :wink:

hehe!!!!

i was feeling stressed that week!!! :sick:

Peter
27th-July-2004, 06:00 PM
i was feeling stressed that week!!!

... too much PERSONAL criticism???

Andy McGregor
27th-July-2004, 08:45 PM
Nope! Not letting you away with it. By mentioning a size a woman would like to be, you are implying she is bigger than that size and that is not on!

Any critical implication is with the reader: they're the one who made it mean that something more than was actually said. There seems to be more than one type of girl, those that choose to make men wrong by reading meaning into things that wasn't put there by the author - and those that don't - or, at least, avoid belittling us feeble men by not pointing it out :tears:

I think there has also been an argument from the particular to the general. That particular woman is telling everyone, man or woman, what her target size is - and I was only talking about her, not all women in general. And, she wants everyone to know she's on a diet so she gets moral support from us all. It's difficult to do that if her supporters are criticised.

Now, Forte, can't we be friends? Try being nice to me: I've never done anything nasty or said anything nasty to you and it hurts when you criticise me :tears:

Banana Man
28th-July-2004, 01:03 AM
At the risk of blowing our own trumpet, I assume that everyone enjoyed the music last night ? ... I know we did !
:D

Fab music :clap: - best night's set for me for at least a month, didn't stop dancing except for necessaries! Music immediately after JM comp was superb. Saw someone at Hipsters tonight who also said that they didn't stop dancing all night 'cause the music was so good.

Only one thing wrong - need another 2 or 3 hours as Andy said.

Keep up the good work. :worthy:

Adam, well done on an excellent comp. Any chance the rule on aerials could be relaxed to say 4 moves per dance, as maybe 2 seems to limit the chance for competitors to use the music well? Could give scope for those who have the flair and skill to really show what they can do, rather than be restricted. Just a thought.

Minnie M
28th-July-2004, 01:19 AM
I think there has also been an argument from the particular to the general. That particular woman is telling everyone, man or woman, what her target size is - and I was only talking about her, not all women in general. And, she wants everyone to know she's on a diet so she gets moral support from us all. It's difficult to do that if her supporters are criticised.

All true :blush:

TheTramp
28th-July-2004, 01:31 AM
Adam, well done on an excellent comp. Any chance the rule on aerials could be relaxed to say 4 moves per dance, as maybe 2 seems to limit the chance for competitors to use the music well? Could give scope for those who have the flair and skill to really show what they can do, rather than be restricted. Just a thought.
They can do 4 aerial moves per dance. 2 in the slow, and 2 in the fast tracks...

If you read the Jive Masters site, this is what it says:

"Unlike most competitions we wanted to leave the rules of the dance very open to allow dancers to come up with new and novel variations. However we also wanted this to remain a dance competition, and for it not to turn into an acrobatic or gymnastic competition."

And I totally agree with that. In 2 minutes, 2 aerials should be more than enough for most people (except the 3 couples that have so far done more than 2 aerials per track).

[Let's face it, David and Lily (for a random example!!) wouldn't have time to fit 4 of their aerials into just 2 minutes of dancing :devil: :whistle: ]

It is a dance competition still - I'd prefer to see mainly flair and skill in dancing, rather than people just doing big moves - which don't usually tend to 'use the music' well, as they have to generally be done with momentum, which has nothing to do with the music (for most couples). Sorry, have to totally disagree with you on that point.

It has to be said, that big, flashy moves are what generally does well at jive masters, because of the audience voting. And couples that dance well to the music, without such moves, generally don't do quite as well....

Trampy

Banana Man
28th-July-2004, 01:43 AM
They can do 4 aerial moves per dance. 2 in the slow, and 2 in the fast tracks...

If you read the Jive Masters site, this is what it says:

"Unlike most competitions we wanted to leave the rules of the dance very open to allow dancers to come up with new and novel variations. However we also wanted this to remain a dance competition, and for it not to turn into an acrobatic or gymnastic competition."

And I totally agree with that. In 2 minutes, 2 aerials should be more than enough for most people (except the 3 couples that have so far done more than 2 aerials per track).


Steve, I did mean 4 per track rather than 4 per set of 2 tracks/dances.



It is a dance competition still - I'd prefer to see mainly flair and skill in dancing, rather than people just doing big moves - which don't usually tend to 'use the music' well, as they have to generally be done with momentum, which has nothing to do with the music (for most couples). Sorry, have to totally disagree with you on that point.

It has to be said, that big, flashy moves are what generally does well at jive masters, because of the audience voting. And couples that dance well to the music, without such moves, generally don't do quite as well....

Trampy

I agree, but clearly there are some competitors who can 'use the music' with big moves - surely David and Lily are a good example, and can't there be others too? Maybe even some of this year's JM competitors?

Dance comp - aerials / no aerials, take your pick, IMHO think it needs to be one or the other, or maybe two types of comp. Maybe we need a poll?

TheTramp
28th-July-2004, 01:52 AM
I understood that you meant 4 per track. 4 aerials in 2 minutes of dancing. I didn't do that many when I was in an aerials competitions!! (well, maybe only just) :na:

Using the music with big moves, generally means hitting the big breaks with an aerial. As previously discussed, this is the most basic and easy use of the music. It's not a test of dancing. It's a test of gymnastic ability.

I don't see why you can't have a dance competition where you have a limited use of aerials. 1 per minute seems like a reasonable amount to me. 2 per minute means that you're either doing an aerial, preparing for one, or recovering from one the entire time. I'm happy for you to set up a poll on it though...

On the whole though, I'd prefer to see competitions without aerials. But then, people would just work more on doing fantastic drops, and getting as close to aerials without actually doing them as they can. Maybe a competition where both aerials and dips aren't allowed?? :devil:

Trampy

cerocmetro
28th-July-2004, 02:00 AM
Fab music :clap: - best night's set for me for at least a month, didn't stop dancing except for necessaries! Music immediately after JM comp was superb. Saw someone at Hipsters tonight who also said that they didn't stop dancing all night 'cause the music was so good.

Only one thing wrong - need another 2 or 3 hours as Andy said.

The DJ's Tezi & Robin are two of our finest and DJ at the Friday night JiveIN's on the first and third Fridays of every month 8-midnight. They DJ'd at the ceroc Champs, are regular DJs for the Jivemasters including the final and also DJ the masked Ball including Finchley/Whetstone every Monday and Tuesday.

Little Em
28th-July-2004, 08:29 AM
To reply to Peter!!!

sorry not really that good with 'puters!!! so dont know how to put a quote in... i really must learn!

it was a really good week actaully!! the trainer George was brill... me, alex, simon, and Jim had a really good week... not too much personal criticism, .....
i went i learned my stuff an haven got that much style anyway so they didn hammer me too much!!! :what: :wink:


little em x x

very excited now bout the champs coming up!!! :clap:

Andy McGregor
28th-July-2004, 11:26 AM
All true :blush:

Keep it up Minnie. You're looking more feminine every time I see you. You've changed from those braids to lovely shiny hair, you're smiling more and look a little bit slimmer each time we meet :clap: :clap: :clap:

We're all expecting you to do the Jive Masters next year* :worthy:

Go here (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?p=73509#post73509) to support Minnie :flower:


*just staying on-topic :wink:

TheTramp
28th-July-2004, 12:16 PM
Wheeeee..... :D

Looks like I'll be down in London for the next heat at the end of August... :clap:

Anyone wanna compete with me?? :D

Trampy

Gordon J Pownall
28th-July-2004, 01:18 PM
Wheeeee..... :D

Looks like I'll be down in London for the next heat at the end of August... :clap:

Anyone wanna compete with me?? :D

Trampy

Would love to Trampy but it's against the rules and I've already entered with Sal...x :whistle:

Adam might enter with you tho.... :wink: just a thought as he's not competed for ever such a long time it would be a breath of wind (or something anyway...) :sick:

Sparkles
28th-July-2004, 02:58 PM
Anyone wanna compete with me?? :D


Thought you didn't want to compete this year...?
Why the change of heart?? :confused:

Andy McGregor
28th-July-2004, 02:59 PM
Thought you didn't want to compete this year...?
Why the change of heart?? :confused:

My guess is that there's a woman somewhere in his "change of heart" :devil:

Sparkles
28th-July-2004, 03:03 PM
My guess is that there's a woman somewhere in his "change of heart" :devil:

If only :tears:
from what I've heard he's after Lily B :angry: :wink:

Divissima
28th-July-2004, 03:46 PM
aha! chercher la femme!

TheTramp
28th-July-2004, 03:53 PM
Nope. No woman. Specifically of course....

Though, if Divi were to offer :wink:

Trampy

Divissima
28th-July-2004, 04:37 PM
Nope. No woman. Specifically of course....

Though, if Divi were to offer :wink:

TrampyAlas, unable to enter with two men.

Gadget
28th-July-2004, 05:09 PM
:blush:I should read slower :blush:

Yogi_Bear
28th-July-2004, 05:14 PM
Fab music :clap: - best night's set for me for at least a month, didn't stop dancing except for necessaries! Music immediately after JM comp was superb. Saw someone at Hipsters tonight who also said that they didn't stop dancing all night 'cause the music was so good.

Only one thing wrong - need another 2 or 3 hours as Andy said.

Keep up the good work. :worthy:

.
:yeah: yb

Andy McGregor
28th-July-2004, 05:26 PM
If only :tears:
from what I've heard he's after Lily B :angry: :wink:

Can't be that, I am Lily, so's The Tramp :confused:

Peter
4th-August-2004, 12:31 PM
... may I have another dance tonight? ... Although, since TwK and I are now preparing for a big comp in under four weeks' time, I'm afraid we are likely to spend much of freestyle panicking - oops, I mean practicing - together....

The pleasure will be all mine ...

PS You already know that you have my vote

TheTramp
4th-August-2004, 12:33 PM
PS You already know that you have my vote
Please don't get Gordon started on that all over again :tears: :tears:

Trampy

Rachel
4th-August-2004, 12:37 PM
Thank you, Peter, for clarifying :flower: Apology accepted, of course - now may I have another dance tonight? I agree with Andy, no harm done - just glad you didn't mean a nasty type of hotshot! :really: :eek: Although, since TwK and I are now preparing for a big comp in :eek: :sick: :eek: under four weeks' time, I'm afraid we are likely to spend much of freestyle panicking - oops, I mean practicing - together.... :devil: Excellent! Is that the JiveMasters? If so, I'm sure we'll make it there to support and applaud.

Trampy - you selected your partner yet?
Rachel

Peter
4th-August-2004, 12:45 PM
Please don't get Gordon started on that all over again :tears: :tears: Trampy

I seem to be stumbling from one controversy to another ...

Andy McGregor
4th-August-2004, 12:46 PM
freestyle panicking

As opposed to choreographed showcase panicking :wink:

TheTramp
4th-August-2004, 12:59 PM
Trampy - you selected your partner yet?
Nope. You offering?? :D

Trampy

Divissima
4th-August-2004, 12:59 PM
As opposed to choreographed showcase panicking Quite. The main difference being the fumbled/missed aerial moves hit the breaks in the choreographed panicking :wink:

Rachel
4th-August-2004, 01:37 PM
Nope. You offering?? :D

Trampy Much as I adore dancing with you ... No. Believe me, I'd be the last person you'd want to partner up with in a competition!!
Rachel

Andy McGregor
4th-August-2004, 01:45 PM
Much as I adore dancing with you ... No. Believe me, I'd be the last person you'd want to partner up with in a competition!!
Rachel

.. possibly the last woman (which I can't believe, btw), but second to last partner :tears: :wink:

Rachel
4th-August-2004, 01:49 PM
.. possibly the last woman (which I can't believe, btw) You haven't seen me in a competition!


... but second to last partner :tears: :wink: You mean you? But you dance so beautifully together!
Rachel

Andy McGregor
4th-August-2004, 01:51 PM
You haven't seen me in a competition!

You mean you? But you dance so beautifully together!
Rachel

I don't think he likes my dress-sense :tears:

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 01:56 PM
Please don't get Gordon started on that all over again :tears: :tears:

Trampy

Did dsomeone say that they had their vote .......already..... even before the competition has started.....


well


I refer the poster to the answer that I gave some time earlier in another thread - you know what I think........ :mad:

TheTramp
4th-August-2004, 02:16 PM
Much as I adore dancing with you ... No. Believe me, I'd be the last person you'd want to partner up with in a competition!!
Sounds like a challenge to me. Do you want to enter us with Adam, or shall I?? :hug:

Trampy

Rachel
4th-August-2004, 02:21 PM
Sounds like a challenge to me. Do you want to enter us with Adam, or shall I?? :hug:

Trampy When I said, 'believe me', I meant ... believe me!
R x

Peter
4th-August-2004, 02:21 PM
Do you want to enter us with Adam, or shall I??Trampy

Go for it .. you have my vote! (oops - is Gordon online?)

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 02:27 PM
Go for it .. you have my vote! (oops - is Gordon online?)





:mad: :angry: :mad:YES:mad: :angry: :mad:

Rachel
4th-August-2004, 02:29 PM
Go for it .. you have my vote! (oops - is Gordon online?) Yay - vote Trampy! And I'll be voting right alongside you, cos I won't be taking part. Anyway, perhaps we should quickly change subject and get back on topic? (Sorry for the digression - I just desperately wanted to know who we'd be watching in the next JiveMasters. Gordon, any inside info?)
R.

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 02:35 PM
Yay - vote Trampy! And I'll be voting right alongside you, cos I won't be taking part. Anyway, perhaps we should quickly change subject and get back on topic? (Sorry for the digression - I just desperately wanted to know who we'd be watching in the next JiveMasters. Gordon, any inside info?)
R.

Why would you need to know..... :whistle: not mind your mind up yet even before the heat / dancing / entrants have been named...??? :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

(ODA Mode off)

Rachel
4th-August-2004, 02:43 PM
Why would you need to know..... :whistle: not mind your mind up yet even before the heat / dancing / entrants have been named...??? :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

(ODA Mode off) [Last off-topic post] In seriousness, no, I never make up my mind before seeing the dancing. I've often been surprised by a couple and given them a different placing from what I might have expected. I just wanted to know because I get excited when I know who I'm going to be watching. That's all...
R.

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 02:46 PM
[Last off-topic post] In seriousness, no, I never make up my mind before seeing the dancing. I've often been surprised by a couple and given them a different placing from what I might have expected. I just wanted to know because I get excited when I know who I'm going to be watching. That's all...
R.

I know, I know...... just being a bit cheeky......still luv ya..... :flower: :hug: :flower: :hug:

Divissima
4th-August-2004, 02:47 PM
Why would you need to know..... :whistle: not mind your mind up yet even before the heat / dancing / entrants have been named...??? :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

(ODA Mode off)This should really be a separate thread now! But I agree with Gordy - and I'd be mortified to think my friends would vote for me if we weren't the best couple. Just being invited to take part is a huge honour - TwK and I are always happy to be beaten by better dancers (of whom there are many!) :clap:

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 02:49 PM
This should really be a separate thread now! But I agree with Gordy - and I'd be mortified to think my friends would vote for me if we weren't the best couple. Just being invited to take part is a huge honour - TwK and I are always happy to be beaten by better dancers (of whom there are many!) :clap:

The spirit of the JiveMasters - alive and well and living in Divi.......

Lovely words Divi - that's because you're a lovely girl...... :hug:

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 02:58 PM
Is there any evidence to suggest that this actually happens .... ? (tongue still firmly in cheek).

Err........overheard, third party, non reliable source but err......yep........

But possibly not....... :whistle:

TheTramp
4th-August-2004, 03:14 PM
Yay - vote Trampy! And I'll be voting right alongside you, cos I won't be taking part. Awwww :tears:

Trampy

Sparkles
4th-August-2004, 03:19 PM
Err........overheard, third party, non reliable source but err......yep........

But possibly not....... :whistle:

So, what's your opinion on people who don't vote at Jive Masters comps, Gordy?

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 03:20 PM
Awwww :tears:

Trampy

Which heat are you in Trampy....?

AND

We need a few more entries for the MiniMasters which commences soon (as in two weeks time on 14 August........

Please PM CerocMetro if you want to enter or email ceroc@hotmail.com ...this is the non-invitation, non teacher, 'amateur' (don't like the word but you know what I mean) sister of the JiveMasters.

See www.jivemasters.com for heats, music, MiniMasters and whats going on......

TheTramp
4th-August-2004, 03:27 PM
Which heat are you in Trampy....?
I'm not really. But I'll be down to watch the heat this month. So, I jokingly advertised for a partner to compete with me then!!

You know. 15 mins practise and all that....!! :wink:

Trampy

Gordon J Pownall
4th-August-2004, 03:31 PM
I'm not really. But I'll be down to watch the heat this month. So, I jokingly advertised for a partner to compete with me then!!

You know. 15 mins practise and all that....!! :wink:

Trampy

Totally my approach much to Sal's consternation.....

Through to the final though so..... might have have a re-think.... :sick: :what: :drool:

Gordon J Pownall
5th-August-2004, 12:10 AM
So, what's your opinion on people who don't vote at Jive Masters comps, Gordy?

You're teasing me now aren't you....????

on another thread.......

I was distinguishing (not very clearly) between people who just can't be bothered to vote and then winge on about the state of the country or whatever etc etc . These people do not take the opportunity to make their voice heard through the democratic process through apathy.

They are different to those individuals who by conscious decision, choose to abstain with the justification that it is decision made to influence or achieve a desired outcome.

The difference between couch potato or armchair critic who just can't be be bothered and an individual who has consciously abstained as an action.

Does that answer your question.,.....? :wink: :wink:

Andy McGregor
5th-August-2004, 01:27 AM
You're teasing me now aren't you....????

on another thread.......

I was distinguishing (not very clearly) between people who just can't be bothered to vote and then winge on about the state of the country or whatever etc etc . These people do not take the opportunity to make their voice heard through the democratic process through apathy.

They are different to those individuals who by conscious decision, choose to abstain with the justification that it is decision made to influence or achieve a desired outcome.

The difference between couch potato or armchair critic who just can't be be bothered and an individual who has consciously abstained as an action.

Does that answer your question.,.....? :wink: :wink:

Having been in politics for a while I've given both these types considerable thought. I have 2 conclusions;

1. The course of action (or inaction) is the same so the result is the same. Therefore the motivation is irrelevant.

2. Who cares?

under par
5th-August-2004, 08:17 AM
Having been in politics for a while I've given both these types considerable thought. I have 2 conclusions;

1. The course of action (or inaction) is the same so the result is the same. Therefore the motivation is irrelevant.




I kind of agree with Andy here.

If you do not paticipate in the democratic election don't bother mouthing off at the resulting decisions made in the name of those who did. :angry:

RobC
5th-August-2004, 09:46 AM
Yay - vote Trampy! And I'll be voting right alongside you, cos I won't be taking part. Anyway, perhaps we should quickly change subject and get back on topic? (Sorry for the digression - I just desperately wanted to know who we'd be watching in the next JiveMasters. Gordon, any inside info?)
R.
Me ! :waycool: :clap:

(Can I vote for myself ahead of the competition Gordy ?)

Chicklet
5th-August-2004, 09:50 AM
Please Sir,

Have I slept through the confirmation of who will go to London from Scotland??
:D

Sparkles
5th-August-2004, 09:52 AM
I kind of agree with Andy here.

If you do not paticipate in the democratic election don't bother mouthing off at the resulting decisions made in the name of those who did. :angry:

So as long as the people who don't vote don't complain about the result of the competition (election, or whatever) then it's fine and no-one cares?
(I'm just curious)

RobC
5th-August-2004, 02:08 PM
OK, so it looks like 2 of the 5 couples are forumites for the august heat.

Divissima & TWK
RobC & Debi

Any ideas who else we will be dancing against ?

Rachel
5th-August-2004, 02:27 PM
OK, so it looks like 2 of the 5 couples are forumites for the august heat.

Divissima & TWK
RobC & Debi

Any ideas who else we will be dancing against ? Mmm, definitely worth a visit! Good luck to you all!!
R.

Gordon J Pownall
5th-August-2004, 02:33 PM
I kind of agree with Andy here.

If you do not paticipate in the democratic election don't bother mouthing off at the resulting decisions made in the name of those who did. :angry:

My point precisely......have some rep (or a hug) :hug:

Gordon J Pownall
5th-August-2004, 02:46 PM
if you go to

www.cerocmetro.com or www.jivemasters.com, you will find the heats, who got through, dates, music for the competition - everything there...just follow the links..... :whistle:

TheTramp
5th-August-2004, 02:49 PM
if you go to

www.cerocmetro.com or www.jivemasters.com, you will find the heats, who got through, dates, music for the competition - everything there...just follow the links..... :whistle:
Except that it hasn't been updated with the results from last month (held almost 2 weeks ago), and it hasn't got the competitors for this month yet either....

Trampy

Little Em
5th-August-2004, 02:52 PM
Except that it hasn't been updated with the results from last month (held almost 2 weeks ago), and it hasn't got the competitors for this month yet either....

Trampy




oops!!!!! :wink:

Yogi_Bear
5th-August-2004, 10:42 PM
We need a few more entries for the MiniMasters which commences soon (as in two weeks time on 14 August........

Please PM CerocMetro if you want to enter or email ceroc@hotmail.com ...this is the non-invitation, non teacher, 'amateur' (don't like the word but you know what I mean) sister of the JiveMasters.


Hmmm...anyone considering entering in September but doesn't have a partner?
:wink:

TheTramp
9th-August-2004, 12:56 AM
OK, so it looks like 2 of the 5 couples are forumites for the august heat.

Divissima & TWK
RobC & Debi

Any ideas who else we will be dancing against ?
Okie. I've been persuaded to enter. Will be competing with Hollie Shannon (who was in it last year with Ben). Still no idea who the other 2 couples are though.... :tears:

Trampy

(12 more to go)

Andy McGregor
9th-August-2004, 01:01 AM
(12 more to go)

Come on Trampy, you can do it :worthy:


(2,643 to go)

Gary
9th-August-2004, 01:14 AM
Okie. I've been persuaded to enter. Will be competing with Hollie Shannon (who was in it last year with Ben).
Cool! She was great, you guys should do well. :worthy:

Gordon J Pownall
9th-August-2004, 09:27 AM
...and don't forget the MiniMasters which starts this coming Sunday at Chigwell........

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Gordon J Pownall
9th-August-2004, 09:30 AM
Except that it hasn't been updated with the results from last month (held almost 2 weeks ago), and it hasn't got the competitors for this month yet either....

Trampy

Don't accept poor service - PM or email at ceroc@hotmail.com and demand a better service.....

IF this was a restaraunt, you'd send it back as it was cold (or corked), demand to see the Manager and leave without paying....

er.......don't know where this is going now...... :whistle: :whistle:


...but you get the idea - chase up (and I know you shouldn't have to).... :wink: :wink:

Lory
10th-August-2004, 09:30 AM
Okie. I've been persuaded to enter. Will be competing with Hollie Shannon
:yeah: :clap: :cheers: :clap: :hug:

TheTramp
11th-August-2004, 11:10 AM
The full list for this months competition is now on the jivemasters site (www.jivemasters.com). It is:

Howard Temple & Nicola Chappell
John Sweeney & Karen James
Rob Coward & Debbie Lagor
Steve Lampert & Hollie Shannon
Toby Cross & Clare Murray

Trampy

Dreadful Scathe
16th-August-2004, 04:57 PM
Hmm according to the website Bill & Denise and James & Hutton got through from Scotland....should the person who called Melanie "Hutton" start running now ? and will it be fast enough ? :)

Jive Brummie
16th-August-2004, 05:08 PM
Hmm according to the website Bill & Denise and James & Hutton got through from Scotland....should the person who called Melanie "Hutton" start running now ? and will it be fast enough ? :)


.....*answer* "Yes they should"

&

....*answer* "I doubt it"

:sick: :whistle:

TheTramp
26th-August-2004, 12:19 PM
The full list for this months competition is now on the jivemasters site (www.jivemasters.com). It is:

Steve Lampert & Hollie Shannon

Ah well. Just had a text from Hollie. She's unwell, so we're having to pull out :(

Trampy

Lory
26th-August-2004, 12:31 PM
Ah well. Just had a text from Hollie. She's unwell, so we're having to pull out :(

Trampy
:tears:

Unless, in your usual style, you can find someone else, on the night before or even on the night it's self! :worthy:

RobC
26th-August-2004, 02:52 PM
Ah well. Just had a text from Hollie. She's unwell, so we're having to pull out :(

Trampy
You've got saturday night at Twford to find another partner - what are you worried about Steve ? It's not like you to let a little thing like a lack of partner to keep you from competing - I'd partner you myself, but I'm already entered :whistle:

TheTramp
26th-August-2004, 03:16 PM
Ah. Okie. I have another partner now. Will be entering with Kate Lovegrove (Katie on the forum) :clap:

Trampy

PS. Practise??? What's that??? :whistle:

Scot
26th-August-2004, 04:24 PM
PS. Practise??? What's that??? :whistle:

For what I recall it involves you swinging the ladies around your head

TheTramp
26th-August-2004, 04:29 PM
For what I recall it involves you swinging the ladies around your head
Nah. We did that without any practise. It was the catching them afterwards that we needed the practise for!! :whistle:

Trampy

Minnie M
26th-August-2004, 05:04 PM
...and don't forget the MiniMasters which starts this coming Sunday at Chigwell.....

When's the next MiniMasters ?

Gojive
26th-August-2004, 05:14 PM
When's the next MiniMasters ?

If it follows the intended pattern Lynda (second Sun of each month), then it should be Sun 12th Sep......but don't quote me on that! ;)

Yogi_Bear
26th-August-2004, 05:44 PM
If it follows the intended pattern Lynda (second Sun of each month), then it should be Sun 12th Sep......but don't quote me on that! ;)
Correct, and then October 10th.

Minnie M
26th-August-2004, 05:44 PM
If it follows the intended pattern Lynda (second Sun of each month), then it should be Sun 12th Sep......but don't quote me on that! ;)

Thanks - just getting September list ready .... pwhooo, gets bigger and bigger - watch out September 11th lots going on then :really:

Tiggerbabe
26th-August-2004, 06:20 PM
watch out September 11th lots going on then :really:
Leuchars Airshow during the day - Glasgow party at night :wink: :clap:

Lory
30th-August-2004, 12:43 AM
Results....Howard Temple & Nicola Chappell AND
John Sweeney & Karen James got through.


Howard and Nicola

Lory
30th-August-2004, 12:46 AM
John and Karen

Lory
30th-August-2004, 12:48 AM
Trampy and Kate

Lory
30th-August-2004, 12:50 AM
Claire and Toby

Lory
30th-August-2004, 12:53 AM
Roc C and Debi

Lory
30th-August-2004, 01:00 AM
Hope you like the pics.....phew, I'm off to bed now! :cheers:

RobC
30th-August-2004, 01:35 AM
Great pics Lory :waycool: Congratulations to Howard & Nicola and John & Karen :clap:

Sparkles
30th-August-2004, 01:56 AM
Congratulations to all who took part! :clap:

Now can Emma and Gordon please explain themselves... I was promised dances and you weren't there {Sparkles taps her foot and puts her hands on her hips}, I think you owe, everyone an explanation! :(

under par
30th-August-2004, 07:27 AM
Hope you like the pics.....phew, I'm off to bed now! :cheers:

Lory your piccies are fab! :drool:

the speed of posting them amazing. :worthy: :yeah:

Hope all had a great night....looked like you did. :cheers:


congratulations to the winning couples. :clap:

Jive Brummie
30th-August-2004, 12:41 PM
Well done to those that got through, and unlucky to those that didn't. I'm sure you all danced fab.

...anyway, enough of the luvvie stuff :sick: , has the boy Nathanson mentioned anything about a vid yet?

James x x

Divissima
30th-August-2004, 01:41 PM
What a great night last night! The crowd really got behind the competitors which was hugely appreciated. Thank you so much to everyone who was so supportive of us. Toby and I really enjoyed ourselves - and really enjoyed watching everyone else dance (the virtue of going first was that we could relax and enjoy the rest of the couples doing their thing!).

Howard and Nicola and John and Karen danced beautifully - congratulations to them on going through :clap:

Great photos, Lory! :waycool: And I believe there was mention of a video, James, so something to look forward to in December :wink:

Jive Brummie
30th-August-2004, 01:43 PM
And I believe there was mention of a video, James, so something to look forward to in December :wink:

:cheers:

Sheepman
30th-August-2004, 02:42 PM
Hope you like the pics Great pics Lory, and so speedy, well worth some rep . . .

I had my camera ready to go, but I was too busy with judging to consider using it, and how difficult that judging was :eek: it was oh so close, congrats to all the competitors. :flower:

Greg

Yogi_Bear
30th-August-2004, 08:39 PM
Hope you like the pics.....phew, I'm off to bed now! :cheers: Excellent pictures once again Lory - many thanks! I couldn't be there last night, unfortunately.
yb

Jayne
31st-August-2004, 09:29 AM
Well done to Howard & Nicki and John & Karen for getting through their heat. :clap:

But special hugs to Claire & Toby!!!! :hug: :hug: Well done guys!!! :clap: :clap:

J :nice:


"The more glitter I have, the more imposing I feel" - Darcy Bussell

Gus
7th-September-2004, 12:35 AM
OK ... time for my bi-monthly moan ...WHERE ARE THE BIRMINGHAM AND MANCHESTER HEATS??? Call me cynical, but given the size of Ceroc, is it so hard to organise two little freestyles? There are planety of independants that could do so ... but apprently Ceroc want to keep the party in house.

I'm sorry but is it true that given the clubs in Cheshire, Birmingham, Notts, Newcastle, Sheffield, Leeds etc ... there is no one on a par with the competitiors who have appeared in London? How many competitors have been from north of Bristol (eclusing the Scotland heat)?

OK ... rant over :sad:

Martin
7th-September-2004, 12:56 AM
OK ... time for my bi-monthly moan ...WHERE ARE THE BIRMINGHAM AND MANCHESTER HEATS??? Call me cynical, but given the size of Ceroc, is it so hard to organise two little freestyles? There are planety of independants that could do so ... but apprently Ceroc want to keep the party in house.

I'm sorry but is it true that given the clubs in Cheshire, Birmingham, Notts, Newcastle, Sheffield, Leeds etc ... there is no one on a par with the competitiors who have appeared in London? How many competitors have been from north of Bristol (eclusing the Scotland heat)?

OK ... rant over :sad:

Come on Gus, get positive.
Jive Masters is an event put on by Ceroc Metro - a great idea and well run.
From my observations it now has included Scotland.
Being in it's second year it is still growing and hopefully it will continue to do so year on year.
Independant dancers are invited - I even got invited as an independant but sadly could not make the dates.
I am sure people from across the country could contact Adam and request entry and submit their profile. [he cannot be expected to know EVERYONE]
Have you tried contacting Adam to ask if you could compete?

To organise it is a large overhead and IMHO it is right that this should be delt with in the existing Ceroc framework. [After all it is a Ceroc led event]

It may be that it is an event that should be run in London and Scotland with dancers travelling to those events (I believe there is a cash prize if you are tight on money but think you have the ability to win). Should the organisers want to create more regional opertunities you have to look into business cost benifits and someone has to put in the time and effort to do so.
This may well happen or not happen.
Either way it is a fantastic idea and provides much fun for competetors and spectators alike. :cheers:

cerocmetro
7th-September-2004, 01:10 AM
OK ... time for my bi-monthly moan ...WHERE ARE THE BIRMINGHAM AND MANCHESTER HEATS??? Call me cynical, but given the size of Ceroc, is it so hard to organise two little freestyles? There are planety of independants that could do so ... but apprently Ceroc want to keep the party in house.

I'm sorry but is it true that given the clubs in Cheshire, Birmingham, Notts, Newcastle, Sheffield, Leeds etc ... there is no one on a par with the competitiors who have appeared in London? How many competitors have been from north of Bristol (eclusing the Scotland heat)?

OK ... rant over :sad:

Sadly I have to concede that even given the size of Ceroc we have been running up against brick walls trying to organise regional heats. Franck bless him is very open to new ideas and took on the JiveMasters immediately. Other franchisees have not been so quick, in fact they have been positively backward in coming forward. They were all emailed and offered the chance to run a heat. No one replied except Franck.

The competition is a wonderful event and I feel that the franchisees who turned it down missed an opportunity to not only run a great event but also to raise their profile as well as.

I hope next year we get more enthusiasm from the Franchise, Mike Ellard has been very much behind the concept and London will even be running an event similar to the MiniMasters soon which like our MiniMasters we hope to tie it in with the JiveMasters.

Australia picked up on the concept pretty quickly and we are very honoured to have a couple who are considered to be the best OZ has to offer coming over for the final.

I am not prepared however to offer the heats to non-Ceroc organisers. It is not Ceroc who laid down the Law, it was my idea to keep it in house. You only need to look back at the threads to see my views on Ceroc the business. This is a Ceroc event and will remain so. Having said that there is a way they can get involved and run a heat, join Ceroc :whistle:

However, we do invite competitors from anywhere. There are no restrictions whatsoever. Whatever it takes to have the best dancers in the land competing together in one event. Some of the competitors have never competed in the UK but have been pursuaded by the professional and open way the event is run and judged.

It is also the only serious competition where there is no entry fee. This also encourages the competitors. They are not competing for the £1000 prize money, the title is I believe now recognised as the one to hold. Who else can claim they have beaten most of the best Modern Jive dancers in the World? :worthy:

The finals of the JiveMasters is a truly wonderful event, a venue that does the competition justice. I would hope that this is recognised and people are prepared to make the effort to support such an important event.

Last year, the audience really got their monies worth. They not only saw the largest gathering of amazing dancers, they also got to dance with them. Not for 20 minutes of freestyle as you might get at some competitions but 4 and half hours worth. This year we will be encouraging the competitors to really get out there and have a few tricks up our sleeves to make this happen.

There is one problem with the JiveMasters. There are a high number of couples who given the right music, frame of mind could win. What impressed me so much last year was the friendliness between the competitors.

Did I mention the JiveMasters video from last year is still available :whistle:

Look out for this years DVD. By the way and perhaps we should start a poll do you want VHS or DVD?

Dazzle
7th-September-2004, 01:12 AM
IMHO it is right that this should be delt with in the existing Ceroc framework. [After all it is a Ceroc led event]

If the above is a true statement, then should it not be titled the "Ceroc Masters", rather than Jive Masters which makes it sound totally open and independent? :confused:

Martin
7th-September-2004, 01:37 AM
If the above is a true statement, then should it not be titled the "Ceroc Masters", rather than Jive Masters which makes it sound totally open and independent? :confused:

I'm sorry I cannot agree.

JiveMasters, sounds and is, totally open to invites from ALL dancers who meet the criteria.

Someone has to organise it, and there is an organisation in place to do it.
CerocMetro has worked really hard to create a great event.

If you think you should be entering due to your past comp wins, I am sure Adam/CerocMetro will consider your application. It is by invite - rightly so, as that is the concept to offer a great show from the best of the best.

PLEASE do not tell me he favours Ceroc only dancers, as I can say (as a non-Ceroc dancer) this is not true.

Dazzle
7th-September-2004, 03:10 AM
I am not prepared however to offer the heats to non-Ceroc organisers.......... This is a Ceroc event and will remain so. Having said that there is a way they can get involved and run a heat, join Ceroc :whistle:

However, we do invite competitors from anywhere. There are no restrictions whatsoever. Whatever it takes to have the best dancers in the land competing together in one event. Some of the competitors have never competed in the UK but have been pursuaded by the professional and open way the event is run and judged.

I am aware, contrary to your shouted suggestion, that competitors are invited based upon the selection criteria from all corners, and have no comment on that. I hope that one day I can reach the heights necessary to be invited. :worthy:

I hope it is a great event, I have heard great things about the competition spectacle and hope to come along this year to experience it for myself.

My point runs along the lines of the first statement made by CerocMetro and the Ceroc exclusivity of the organisation and venue location. I appreciate that he feels disappointed by national franchisees not coming forward to host any other heats (with the exception of Franck! :yeah: ), but why is he not happy to allow non-Ceroc organisers to host instead if they meet his approval and allow regional heats? Surely this would grow the event nationally, much quicker? :clap:

Martin
7th-September-2004, 03:25 AM
I am aware, contrary to your shouted suggestion, that competitors are invited based upon the selection criteria from all corners, and have no comment on that. I hope that one day I can reach the heights necessary to be invited. :worthy:

I hope it is a great event, I have heard great things about the competition spectacle and hope to come along this year to experience it for myself.

My point runs along the lines of the first statement made by CerocMetro and the Ceroc exclusivity of the organisation and venue location. I appreciate that he feels disappointed by national franchisees not coming forward to host any other heats (with the exception of Franck! :yeah: ), but why is he not happy to allow non-Ceroc organisers to host instead if they meet his approval and allow regional heats? Surely this would grow the event nationally, much quicker? :clap:

Let's get real.

1/ I did not hear any shouting.
2/ Maybe one day you will reach the heights (or maybe you are already there), try winning Blackpool and London + if you like the Sydney champs, then come back to the debate.
3/ Come along and experience - all good AND you can judge.
4/ To keep the organisation of Jive Masters, within an established organisation is a business decision - why the problem? The event I am sure WILL grow. It will grow in a measured way. With a fully thought out business plan.

Is there anything you like about the initiative?

Dazzle
7th-September-2004, 03:42 AM
Martin

Get real? Why so upset? Why is it that some people only see what they want on here? All my posting was good and positive about the initiative. I only queried the venue/exclusivity. One point, with plenty of positive elsewhere. If I did not like the intiative why would I be bothering to come along in November?

Because I have not won a competition or been invitied then I am obviously not allowed to comment and must leave the debate until that time? You might be disappointed on that one, I thought this was a forum for open comment and debate? I have no problem at all.

You are obviously not particularly familiar with internet etiquette as most people know that all capitals indicates shouting - "PLEASE"?

If it is not possible to comment openly and freely, causing no direct offence to anyone, but entering alternative views or posing questions, then you are welcome to stay on a forum full of nodding dogs.

Martin
7th-September-2004, 04:55 AM
Martin

Get real? Why so upset? Why is it that some people only see what they want on here? All my posting was good and positive about the initiative. I only queried the venue/exclusivity. One point, with plenty of positive elsewhere. If I did not like the intiative why would I be bothering to come along in November?

Because I have not won a competition or been invitied then I am obviously not allowed to comment and must leave the debate until that time? You might be disappointed on that one, I thought this was a forum for open comment and debate? I have no problem at all.

You are obviously not particularly familiar with internet etiquette as most people know that all capitals indicates shouting - "PLEASE"?

If it is not possible to comment openly and freely, causing no direct offence to anyone, but entering alternative views or posing questions, then you are welcome to stay on a forum full of nodding dogs.

I did not see any capitals - maybe I need to look closer.
Not into nodding dogs. [I am often seen as contentious]
No agenda as I am a previous dance company owner in the UK (non-Ceroc).

I do have a beef with knocking good initiatives, through people who put themselves out to create a new concept.

As a multiple comp winner (Australia and the UK), a dance company owner, and a dancer, I say, please support people with the balls to give it a try.

Put up or shut up.

Maybe you cannot put up, maybe you don't want to shut up.... all cool :cheers: after all it is a forum of views. :hug:

Gus
7th-September-2004, 11:27 AM
Jive Masters is an event put on by Ceroc Metro - a great idea and well run ........ it is a fantastic idea and provides much fun for competetors and spectators alike. :cheers:All points made above are true ... but that wasnt what I was talking about. The event was advertised as bringing in the best from the UK. There are dancers in the Midlands and North who are at least the match of some of the dancers who have been invited. The heats were advertised but havent taken place ... THAT was my rant.


Have you tried contacting Adam to ask if you could compete?Martin, I have no interest in competing in London. If there was a local heat I'd feel duty bound to take part ... but I'm not into competitions .. I leave that to the 'professionals' :wink:

Gus
7th-September-2004, 11:30 AM
Sadly I have to concede that even given the size of Ceroc we have been running up against brick walls trying to organise regional heats. Franck bless him is very open to new ideas and took on the JiveMasters immediately. Other franchisees have not been so quick, in fact they have been positively backward in coming forward. They were all emailed and offered the chance to run a heat. No one replied except Franck.?
Thanks for explaining why the heats didnt take place. I think that the local dancers have a right to know why they are being excluded and the Franchisees should hang their heads in shame. If small time orgainisers like myself could easily have hosted such an event ... how come the mighty Ceroc Franchisees can't? :angry:


Did I mention the JiveMasters video from last year is still available :whistle: Yeah, yeah, yeah ... already got my 2003 copy (and very good it is to). Look forward to this years being on DVD :grin:

Andy McGregor
7th-September-2004, 11:48 AM
Thanks for explaining why the heats didnt take place. I think that the local dancers have a right to know why they are being excluded and the Franchisees should hang their heads in shame. If small time orgainisers like myself could easily have hosted such an event ... how come the mighty Ceroc Franchisees can't? :angry:

I think it's time for a Jive Masters heat to be hosted by another company. If the Ceroc franchisee in the area doesn't want to host the event what's to stop someone else hosting it? :confused:

It's not the Ceroc Jive Masters it's open to all dancers - so why can't hosting be open to all organisers?

I say ask Gus to host a Jive Masters heat in the North West - he couldn't enter because he'd be host - but then he hates entering competitions ...

TheTramp
7th-September-2004, 12:28 PM
I think it's time for a Jive Masters heat to be hosted by another company. If the Ceroc franchisee in the area doesn't want to host the event what's to stop someone else hosting it? :confused:

It's not the Ceroc Jive Masters it's open to all dancers - so why can't hosting be open to all organisers?

Yes it is the Ceroc Jive Masters. Because it's the idea of a Ceroc franchisee, and is being run by him.

All credit that it's open to dancers across the spectrum, and not just Ceroc dancers - which does make it (IMHO) the Jive Masters. But it's still a Ceroc idea, and if Adam doesn't want it to go outside to other organisers (which he doesn't, he's said so above), then that's his prerogative.

Of course, other company(ies) could organise Jive Master heats. But that'd be a different competition altogether.

I think that the obvious answer is for people in the areas stipulated to put pressure on the franchise holders to get the heats organised in their area - if those people want the heats.

Trampy

Dazzle
7th-September-2004, 12:33 PM
I do have a beef with knocking good initiatives, through people who put themselves out to create a new concept.

I have tried to see where I have knocked the initiative Martin, maybe I need new contacts, but I cannot see that. I made one query about the hosting and Ceroc exclusivity and echoed Gus's query about the advertised regional heats. :confused:


It's not the Ceroc Jive Masters it's open to all dancers - so why can't hosting be open to all organisers? :yeah:


I say, please support people with the balls to give it a try.

As I said earlier, I intend to go along in November to the Finals, so what is that if not support? If there was a heat in my region I would also make sure I went there too! Whether it was a Ceroc venue or an independent. :whistle:

Gus
7th-September-2004, 12:39 PM
I think that the obvious answer is for people in the areas stipulated to put pressure on the franchise holders to get the heats organised in their area - if those people want the heats.

Trampy

The problems is that in the N West (but not in the Midlansd) is that Ceroc is in the minority and dont have the better dancers going to their venues. I cant understand why they would pass up such an opportuntity .. especially as some of the good dancers are Ceroc instructors from the N. East :confused:

Just had a thought ... how about if I ran a 'JiveMasters' look-alike for the North :devil: :devil: Tempting idea? Anyone up for it?

Yogi_Bear
7th-September-2004, 01:04 PM
Latest list of competitors- and I quote:

'MiniMasters - This Sunday 14th September

This Sunday is round three of the MiniMasters. The minimasters has been a great event which has been running parallel to the now phenomenal JiveMasters. This week we have 5 couples competing and it promises to be a very entertaining evening. There is of course the normal Beginners and Intermediate class from 7pm and the competition will start at 9pm and will last for 30 minutes. You the audience will be judging.

The finals of the MiniMasters is on Friday 5th November. It promises to be a blast of an evening. We will be serving Hot spuds being bonfire night.

The David Lloyd Club, Roding Lane, Buckhurst Hill, Chigwell Essex
This weeks MiniMaster competitors are;
Iain Wilkinson & Helen Mason
Paul Smale & Jenny Brown
Jim & Norma Keegan
Louise Hecker & Paul Pritchard
Jenny Willis & Graham Goodman

JiveMasters - Sunday 26th September
The JiveMasters this month is also really hotting up. Last month's round was incredibly close. This month's on Sunday 26th is one not to be missed.
The competitors are:

Simon Selmon & Taina Kortelainen
Neil Hillier & Zara Rahemtulla
Ray Dunn & Dawn Adams
Tony Maquaire & Mary Kyte
Siu Fai Yuen & Karmel Gent

The David Lloyd Club, Roding Lane, Buckhurst Hill, Chigwell Essex'

yb

Gus
7th-September-2004, 01:19 PM
The competitors are:

Simon Selmon & Taina Kortelainen
Neil Hillier & Zara Rahemtulla
Ray Dunn & Dawn Adams
Tony Maquaire & Mary Kyte
Siu Fai Yuen & Karmel Gent
Simon, Ray and Sui ... some big reps there... should be a good hard fight :waycool:

spindr
7th-September-2004, 02:11 PM
Just had a thought ... how about if I ran a 'JiveMasters' look-alike for the North :devil: :devil: Tempting idea? Anyone up for it?

Well, you could make it country-wide if you invite up the best in the west (http://www.trinityleroc.co.uk/news.htm)!

SpinDr.

Gus
7th-September-2004, 04:04 PM
Well, you could make it country-wide if you invite up the best in the west (http://www.trinityleroc.co.uk/news.htm)!

SpinDr.

Must admit I would have assumed that those dancers would already be on the target list for Jivemasters.

Gordon J Pownall
7th-September-2004, 04:23 PM
Just had a thought ... how about if I ran a 'JiveMasters' look-alike for the North :devil: :devil: Tempting idea? Anyone up for it?


Actually Gus,

I have spoken with Trampy (lawyer (nearly but not quite) extrordinaire) who said :-


When you write copy you have the right to copyright the copy you write. You can write good and copyright but copyright doesn't mean copy good - it might not be right good copy, right?

Now, writers of religious services write rite, and thus have the right to copyright the rite they write.

Conservatives write right copy, and have the right to copyright the right copy they write. A right wing cleric might write right rite, and have the right to copyright the right rite he has the right to write. His editor has the job of making the right rite copy right before the copyright would be right. Then it might be copy good copyright.

Should Thom Wright decide to write, then Wright might write right rite, which Wright has a right to copyright. Copying that rite would copy Wright's right rite, and thus violate copyright, so Wright would have the legal right to right the wrong. Right?

Legals write writs which is a right or not write writs right but all writs, copied or not, are writs that are copyright. Judges make writers write writs right.

Advertisers write copy which is copyright the copy writer's company, not the right of the writer to copyright. But the copy written is copyrighted as written, right?

Wrongfully copying a right writ, a right rite or copy is not right.


So errr..no Gus - you could produce a similar product but if it the same and everything else as the one, the only, the unique, the (not quite copywrited but everyone knows it's Adam's idea so you'd be slated if you did copy it) JiveMasters.... you'd be a very naughty boy.... :whistle: (especially following the discussions on other threads about giving gushing and obsccene amounts of credit where it's due...) :sick:

Nuff' said.... :wink:

Oh...and by the way, the above article was found here (http://www.squarewheels.com/content2/copyrightexpl.html)

TheTramp
7th-September-2004, 04:32 PM
I have spoken with Trampy (lawyer (nearly but not quite) extrordinaire) who said :-
Ummm. Nope. That is, he didn't speak to me. I do hope to be a lawyer one day! :D


So errr..no Gus - you could produce a similar product but if it the same and everything else as the one, the only, the unique, the (not quite copywrited but everyone knows it's Adam's idea so you'd be slated if you did copy it) JiveMasters.... you'd be a very naughty boy.... :whistle: (especially following the discussions on other threads about giving gushing and obsccene amounts of credit where it's due...) :sick:
I don't see any reason why Gus shouldn't do this if he wants actually (sorry Gordon). If he does, I'm sure that he'll credit Adam/Nigel for the idea. I think that it's one of those things that's pretty much 'public domain'. I remember going to Robert Austins old jive competition the last year that he ran it. The following year, I went to the first Ceroc competition, and didn't really notice much difference between the ideas. And subsequently, Ceroc moved to the venue that Robert Austin used to hold his competitions at. I doubt that any observer would have been able to tell the difference between the competitions (or probably a large number of the competitors). It's just one of those things that will happen. Credit to Adam and Nigel for coming up with the idea though :clap:

Trampy

Gus
7th-September-2004, 04:32 PM
......So errr..no Gus - you could produce a similar product but if it the same and everything else as the one, the only, the unique, the (not quite copywrited but everyone knows it's Adam's idea so you'd be slated if you did copy it) JiveMasters

{ODA Mode On}
So ... can you describe what is unique about the Jivemasters? Is it being a dance competition? Didnt think so. Is it having the audience to vote? already done that years ago. Is it the fact that the winners of other competitions are invited? Well, many of the competitors are not champions or comp winners? Is it the name? May have to concede on that. SO come on Gordy ... DEFINE what is unique!
{ODA Mode Off}

And befoer anyone flames me, have already had PM'd Adam on the subject ... the above is just part of 'baiting Gordy' ... a blood sport that is considerd the height of fashion in certain circles :wink:

Gordon J Pownall
7th-September-2004, 04:44 PM
Well, firstly you would run a dance competition however as you quite rightly described below, the JiveMasters is a :-


dnace competition? :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:


And befoer anyone flames me, have already had PM'd Adam on the subject ... the above is just part of 'baiting Gordy' ... a blood sport that is considerd the height of fashion in certain circles :wink:

Bring it on bitch....... :whistle: :wink:


Oh - and Trampy is just maintaining client confidentiality.....

Gordon J Pownall
7th-September-2004, 04:50 PM
Ummm. I do hope to be a lawyer one day! :D Trampy

Top Ten Things That You will never Hear from a Lawyer


10. You're right; our fees are far too high for the service you're getting.

9. No - you're right, I did lie when I said I would call you back....

8. How about paying me based on the success of the case?

7. My whole strategy is based on a Times Supplement / Womens Realm Magazine I read.

6. Actually, the only difference is that we charge more than they do.

5. I don't know enough to speak intelligently about that.

4. Successful outcome? I only care about writing long reports.

3. I can't take the credit. It was my secretary.

2. The problem is, we have too many people.

1. Everything looks okay. You really don't need us.

:wink: :wink: :wink:

Jive Brummie
7th-September-2004, 05:52 PM
Just had a thought ... how about if I ran a 'JiveMasters' look-alike for the North :devil: :devil: Tempting idea? Anyone up for it?

I think this is a great idea.

Gus you should go for it. The Jivemasters is s'posed to be clash(es) of the titans yet it doesn't go nationwide??????

Why don't you run your own event in the North, then the southerners could run their event, then we could all go to the midlands for the final!!!!

If you ran it totally seperately to the Jivemasters, you could even compete to see which event attracted the best competitors.... :whistle: .

Stirring? Me?


Never :wink:

RobC
7th-September-2004, 05:56 PM
For christ's sake people, stop winging :angry:

If you are good enough to be invitied to take part in a Jive Masters heat, then you are good enough - it doesn't matter what area of the country you live in. People have already travelled from all over the UK to come to the heats in Chigwell. Just because you live in the NW, doesn't actually mean you are more likely to be invited to take part if one of the heats is being held just around the corner from you. :what: OK, so it may be more convenient for you, but if you are serious about being the best of the best, you'll get your ar$e down to Chigwell and prove it. :devil:

The Jive Masters is Adam's idea - he is running it as a Ceroc event, and as his event, it is up to him to decide if he want to involve other people and run regional heats outside of his franchise area. So noone other than Franck came forward to run a heat. Hassle your local Ceroc franchise - not Adam. I'm sure that the people that would have been invited to the regional heats will still be invited to the heats in Chigwell. And if you haven't been invited yet, drop a few hints in Adam's / Nigel's direction (it worked for me :wink: )

Jive Brummie
7th-September-2004, 06:02 PM
For christ's sake people, stop winging :angry:

If you are good enough to be invitied to take part in a Jive Masters heat, then you are good enough - it doesn't matter what area of the country you live in. People have already travelled from all over the UK to come to the heats in Chigwell. Just because you live in the NW, doesn't actually mean you are more likely to be invited to take part if one of the heats is being held just around the corner from you. :what: OK, so it may be more convenient for you, but if you are serious about being the best of the best, you'll get your ar$e down to Chigwell and prove it. :devil:

The Jive Masters is Adam's idea - he is running it as a Ceroc event, and as his event, it is up to him to decide if he want to involve other people and run regional heats outside of his franchise area. So noone other than Franck came forward to run a heat. Hassle your local Ceroc franchise - not Adam. I'm sure that the people that would have been invited to the regional heats will still be invited to the heats in Chigwell. And if you haven't been invited yet, drop a few hints in Adam's / Nigel's direction (it worked for me :wink: )

*Scouse accent on*

Calm down, calm down..... :rofl:

*Scouse accent off*

Gus
7th-September-2004, 06:18 PM
but if you are serious about being the best of the best, you'll get your ar$e down to Chigwell and prove it. :devil:)

ODA Mode On ... Is it STILL the Best of the Best ?? Some competitiors havent even won an intermediate competition. :confused: :devil: ODA Mode Off Sorry Rob, the argument is about the fact that the Northern dancers a) havent been invited, b) havent had the advertised heats. But ... now you come to mention .. if the Northerners want to 'prove' themselves ... why should we want to go Sarth where all the bad football clubs are?


The Jive Masters is Adam's idea - he is running it as a Ceroc event, and as his event, it is up to him to decide if he want to involve other people and run regional heats outside of his franchise area. So .....Hassle your local Ceroc franchise - not Adam. Well, until we resurrected this thread we didnt know who to blame. If Ceroc cant organise themsleves up North, then it seems beholding on the real powerbase of MJ in the North (the independants) to do it for themselves ... thats what Keith and Janey did to create the Wonder that is the UK MJ CHamps ... no reason why we can't do it for another type of competition. :grin:

Gus
7th-September-2004, 06:26 PM
Is it possible for Ceroc(tm) to nick an idea from CerocMetro? Just seen this posting;


"The London Trophy Competition"
Article By: David Bradley (Ceroc - London)
7 September 2004

Ceroc London are holding a Competition for dancers in London.
This competition is FREE to enter.
The first round will be held on Tuesday 12th October 2004 at Cerocs venue in Great Portland Street, International Students House (ISH).
The competition will be judged by the audience.
To enter competitors should pick up a leaflet from their local Ceroc venue, complete their details and hand in the form at the front desk.
The Finals will be held at the Hammersmith Xmas Party on December 11th 2004.
Does this sound familiar? :wink:

TheTramp
8th-September-2004, 12:29 AM
For christ's sake people, stop winging :angry:

If you are good enough to be invitied to take part in a Jive Masters heat, then you are good enough - it doesn't matter what area of the country you live in. People have already travelled from all over the UK to come to the heats in Chigwell. Just because you live in the NW, doesn't actually mean you are more likely to be invited to take part if one of the heats is being held just around the corner from you. :what: OK, so it may be more convenient for you, but if you are serious about being the best of the best, you'll get your ar$e down to Chigwell and prove it. :devil:
Sorry Rob, but you're being totally unrealistic here in my opinion :devil:

For people living in the North of the country, it's a hell of a lot harder to get to a Sunday night dance in North East London. It will probably mean having to take a day off work on the Monday. And will probably cost at least £50 to get there. And since the same people will probably need to sleep somewhere afterwards, another £50 for a room for a night. Not everyone has £100 spare lying around for a nights dancing - not to mention several hours travelling time too. The only reason I competed was because I was going to be in London that weekend anyhow. There is no way I would ever have travelled down specifically. And, apart from myself, Cristina Devine from Glasgow, and Phillip Webb from Birmingham, I don't know of any other couple/people north of Northampton who have entered. Pretty much every couple has been from in or around London. This was the same last year too.

Whether or not couples from 'up north' have been invited, I don't know. I will stick my neck out and say that there are a lot of great dancers from up north who (IMHO) are better than some of the couples who have competed this year - Phil and Alex from Newcastle for example, who have placed 2nd (Blackpool) and 1st (Scotland) with their showcase this year. Maybe they have all been invited, and can't afford the time or money to go?

Also, a lot of dancers from the north who don't read this forum, know nothing about the competition anyhow.

Trampy

MartinHarper
8th-September-2004, 01:14 AM
Sadly I have to concede that even given the size of Ceroc we have been running up against brick walls trying to organise regional heats. [...] Other franchisees have not been so quick, in fact they have been positively backward in coming forward. They were all emailed and offered the chance to run a heat. No one replied except Franck.

Would you consider it helpful if those of us here who dance with Ceroc franchises outside London and Scotland brought up the subject with their teachers? I'm not sure of the timing, so perhaps it's too late.


I am not prepared however to offer the heats to non-Ceroc organisers. It is not Ceroc who laid down the Law, it was my idea to keep it in house.

You may have already explained this, and if so my apologies, but what are the reasons?

TheTramp
8th-September-2004, 08:53 AM
You may have already explained this, and if so my apologies, but what are the reasons?
Who needs reasons?? :D

Trampy

cerocmetro
8th-September-2004, 09:01 AM
Would you consider it helpful if those of us here who dance with Ceroc franchises outside London and Scotland brought up the subject with their teachers? I'm not sure of the timing, so perhaps it's too late.

It is too late for this year, but we are already looking at next year and if we could get commitment now and even dates, then it would give everyone plenty of time to prepare.


You may have already explained this, and if so my apologies, but what are the reasons?

Why not ask McDonalds why they do not allow Wimpy to call their Burgers Big Macs, or Nike to allow Woolworths to put a big tick on their plimsoles or Apple to share their designs with Amstrad. I am 100% Ceroc ie it is my job, my sole income and the company I work for. As part of Ceroc I feel obligated to promote my collegues and hence myself as much as I can.

If I were not Ceroc, I would do the same in reverse as many found out when I was with LeJIve and took over two Ceroc franchises and a number of Ceroc venues. This is business plain and simple.

Having said all that, I can only offer so much to others and if the Ceroc franchisees in the North do not want JiveMasters, then I will consider offering the opportunity to non Ceroc operators for one off events.

Adam

MartinHarper
8th-September-2004, 09:44 AM
The reason I asked is that it's reasonably common in other industries to contract out work where it makes business sense to do so. Thus, a product might be sold and branded by one company, but it's actually been produced by another one, under contract. I wondered why the same business logic didn't apply to the world of jive.


As part of Ceroc I feel obligated to promote my collegues and hence myself as much as I can.

I'm not sure whether I understand you correctly. It sounds like you expect offering these events solely to Ceroc franchisees to boost the Ceroc brand name in general, and thus indirectly boost attendance at your own events and classes. Am I close?


If the Ceroc franchisees in the North do not want JiveMasters, then I will consider offering the opportunity to non Ceroc operators for one off events.

That's good to hear. :)

Gus
8th-September-2004, 10:18 AM
ODA Mode On ... Is it STILL the Best of the Best ?? Some competitiors havent even won an intermediate competition. :confused: :devil: ODA Mode Off

Sometimes I really hate this Forum ... RIGHT, looks that despite the ODA moniker and the slight issue that what I said was actualy correct ... it seems like the above statement is upsetting some people :what:

So, in the interest of putting the record straight the facts as I see it are thus;
The JiveMasters was promoted as being the Best of the Best
The majority of competitors have achieved some competition success
Just because someone has not won a competition does not mean they cannot be the Best of the Best
As far as I can see, this does not diss anyone or call their dancing ability or right to compete into question. I was merely making the point that there are dancers who HAVE won events/being placed in the North who have not been invited (for reasons that have now been fully explained ... thanks Adam)

I hope that stops the wringing of hands and crying into their lattes :rolleyes:. One day I will understand why people think that simple fact is secondary to what they want to believe.

cerocmetro
8th-September-2004, 10:20 AM
The reason I asked is that it's reasonably common in other industries to contract out work where it makes business sense to do so. Thus, a product might be sold and branded by one company, but it's actually been produced by another one, under contract. I wondered why the same business logic didn't apply to the world of jive.

Surely it is only good business sense when their is an advantage or gain to be made from doing it. Are you suggesting that Non Ceroc organisers pay me a fee for running it? :rofl: :rofl: :yeah:


I'm not sure whether I understand you correctly. It sounds like you expect offering these events solely to Ceroc franchisees to boost the Ceroc brand name in general, and thus indirectly boost attendance at your own events and classes. Am I close?

If I can do that then of course why not. That was not however even a consideration when we started it and perhaps is a compliment for all the hard work by all involved. I would be delighted if I thought that a heat of the JiveMasters in say Newcastle is going to increase the numbers of a class in Finchley or Chigwell. :really: What I was offering was the opportunity to Ceroc Franchisees to run an event which will be a great night and it would be up to them if they wanted to generate interest in their classes.

Gordon J Pownall
8th-September-2004, 10:58 AM
I hope that stops the wringing of hands and crying into their lattes :rolleyes:. One day I will understand why people think that simple fact is secondary to what they want to believe.

What's wrong with latte drinkers...??? Right you - outside now....!

I'll have you know I have an extra shot in my latte's in the morning so don't come on with the havin a go at the latte drinker....

It's the poncy cappucino drinkers that should be up against the wall -

You know the type, first name Gus, asks for :-

"...can I have a skinny dry small cappucino with 70% cocoa powder on top, no sugar cos it'll go straight to my hips...and a lid to stop the froth going up my nose....giggle...."

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

MartinHarper
8th-September-2004, 12:00 PM
Are you suggesting that Non Ceroc organisers pay me a fee for running it?

I'm suggesting that there could be a mutually beneficial arrangement. You get more regional heats - that boosts credibility, awareness, attendance at finals, interest for later years, and so forth. The organisers get the opportunity to run a great event under the Ceroc Jivemasters banner. From a business point of view, it seems that both sides would benefit?

Anyway, I'm afraid I'm still not entirely clear as to your reasons, but thanks for trying to explain it to me. It sounds like I should be grateful to be far removed from the commercial realities of the scene... :)

cerocmetro
8th-September-2004, 12:31 PM
I'm suggesting that there could be a mutually beneficial arrangement. You get more regional heats - that boosts credibility, awareness, attendance at finals, interest for later years, and so forth. The organisers get the opportunity to run a great event under the Ceroc Jivemasters banner. From a business point of view, it seems that both sides would benefit?

Anyway, I'm afraid I'm still not entirely clear as to your reasons, but thanks for trying to explain it to me. It sounds like I should be grateful to be far removed from the commercial realities of the scene... :)

Can't argue with that. The way to go is to see who is interested. Clearly my priorities are with Ceroc franchisees but if they are not interested and if everyone can benefit then I guess that has got to be good.

Why don't interested parties pm or email me ceroc@hotmail.com

Who knows where this could lead. What I do know is that how ever it came about the JiveMasters is a great event. I was just lucky enough to come up with the idea first. It would be a shame to water the concept down and it would be great to make it a truly Nationwide competition. Perhaps we should look at a more centrally located venue for the finals.

All I know is the JM will continue, it will grow and as it does, ideas and concepts develop. I am open mined and provided I can work within the confines of my Ceroc contract who knows.

I would also just like to mention that the JiveMasters is co run by my very good friend Nigel Anderson. A lot of people do not know but he started his MJ teaching for CerocMetro, why do you think he is so good :whistle:

Check out the other CerocMetro teachers :waycool:
Adam

cerocmetro
8th-September-2004, 12:52 PM
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ChrisA
8th-September-2004, 01:10 PM
I would also just like to mention that the JiveMasters is co run by my very good friend Nigel Anderson.
This has always struck me as amusing, given that there are certain other factions (possibly not the right word :devil: ) within Ceroc (peace be upon it) whose relationship with the said Mr Anderson isn't quite so, shall we say, congenial.

:D

Chris

Gus
8th-September-2004, 01:13 PM
This has always struck me as amusing, given that there are certain other factions (possibly not the right word :devil: ) within Ceroc (peace be upon it) whose relationship with the said Mr Anderson isn't quite so, shall we say, congenial.Are you alluding to the fact that they may want Nigel to be the 'first against the wall?' :whistle:

ChrisA
8th-September-2004, 01:20 PM
Are you alluding to the fact that they may want Nigel to be the 'first against the wall?' :whistle:

Sorry, I meant 'allegedly'... :whistle:

Gordon J Pownall
8th-September-2004, 01:22 PM
Are you alluding to the fact that they may want Nigel to be the 'first against the wall?' :whistle:

Adam and I have had him up against a rather rough wall - he coped admirably with both of us.....(even the hat didn't fall off) :whistle: ...!!!

So err....no.....

ChrisA
8th-September-2004, 01:30 PM
So err....no.....Splendid. So we can expect Nigel to be welcomed back periodically to teach advanced classes at other Ceroc venues around London... like other, er non-CTA teachers sometimes do...

... this is terrific; I'm delighted to hear of the imminent rapprochement....

:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:

Gordon J Pownall
8th-September-2004, 01:35 PM
Splendid. So we can expect Nigel to be welcomed back periodically to teach advanced classes at other Ceroc venues around London... like other, er non-CTA teachers sometimes do...

... this is terrific; I'm delighted to hear of the imminent rapprochement....

:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:

I am a mere mortal Ceroc Teacher - the decision would of course be with those greater than I.......... :what:

cerocmetro
8th-September-2004, 01:44 PM
Splendid. So we can expect Nigel to be welcomed back periodically to teach advanced classes at other Ceroc venues around London... like other, er non-CTA teachers sometimes do...

... this is terrific; I'm delighted to hear of the imminent rapprochement....

:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:

To clarify, Nigel has an open invitation to teach at all Ceroc venues. But things are never quite so simple. Nigel would have to agree to some conditions met by other Ceroc and guest teachers. It is up to Nigel whether or not he would like to meet these conditions.

No special conditions have been assigned to Nigel he is being treated as any other teacher would be.

Anyway we are way off post so to get back on,

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Gojive
8th-September-2004, 04:39 PM
I am a mere mortal Ceroc Teacher - the decision would of course be with those greater than I..........

Anyone know what time the cleaner arrives around here?....I have a question for him/her...... :yum: ;)

Gordon J Pownall
8th-September-2004, 04:43 PM
Anyone know what time the cleaner arrives around here?....I have a question for him/her...... :yum: ;)

I am actually a cleaner...


ever seen Pulp Fiction.....beware....... :D :wink: :wink: :wink:

Jayne
8th-September-2004, 04:46 PM
I am open mined
Yeah, Ceroc can do that to you... :wink:

J :flower:

Gojive
8th-September-2004, 04:55 PM
I am actually a cleaner...


ever seen Pulp Fiction.....beware....... :D :wink: :wink: :wink:

Gordon, I know you (Jive 'n' Cruise 2004 :waycool: ), so I'd say it's more like puppy fiction! :wink:

cerocmetro
8th-September-2004, 06:58 PM
nnnnnnnn 19 more to go :clap:

Tezi
8th-September-2004, 07:19 PM
The DJ's Tezi & Robin are two of our finest and DJ at the Friday night JiveIN's on the first and third Fridays of every month 8-midnight. They DJ'd at the ceroc Champs, are regular DJs for the Jivemasters including the final and also DJ the masked Ball including Finchley/Whetstone every Monday and Tuesday.

Thanks Adam for the vote of confidence - recognition at last! :worthy: :cheers:

Tezi
8th-September-2004, 07:34 PM
:yeah: yb
Hi, first time back at the Forum in a while. A very BIG THANK YOU to the wonderful comments about the music at the JMs. Robin and I always try to play our best and hearing how you enjoyed it so much and couldn't keep off the dance floor gives us a terrific buzz. There is nothing better than to Dj to a busy floor and great dancers, we just wished it had lasted longer too!!
:cheers:

I do have to add however that CerocMetro does place a lot of emphasis on the music played and the enjoyment of all the dancers that come to its venues. All CerocMetro Djs work very hard to carry this through and all you dancers out there have shown how important this really is - we hope you continue to enjoy the music.
:flower:

Andy McGregor
9th-September-2004, 11:51 AM
To clarify, Nigel has an open invitation to teach at all Ceroc venues. But things are never quite so simple. Nigel would have to agree to some conditions met by other Ceroc and guest teachers. It is up to Nigel whether or not he would like to meet these conditions.

No special conditions have been assigned to Nigel he is being treated as any other teacher would be.

When I had a conversation with Nigel about him stopping teaching at Fleet I don't remember him mentioning any "conditions" being given for him to stay on as a teacher - I think he was just told that a condition of the change from Jive Bug to Ceroc meant that he and Nina could no longer teach at Fleet :tears:

So, what are the conditions placed on guest teachers who teach for Ceroc? RobC, Will and DavidB are all guest teachers for Ceroc, maybe they could enlighten us.

Or maybe Adam will tell us as it gives him an excuse to mention the Jive Masters final and video :whistle:

cerocmetro
9th-September-2004, 12:21 PM
When I had a conversation with Nigel about him stopping teaching at Fleet I don't remember him mentioning any "conditions" being given for him to stay on as a teacher - I think he was just told that a condition of the change from Jive Bug to Ceroc meant that he and Nina could no longer teach at Fleet :tears:

So, what are the conditions placed on guest teachers who teach for Ceroc? RobC, Will and DavidB are all guest teachers for Ceroc, maybe they could enlighten us.

Or maybe Adam will tell us as it gives him an excuse to mention the Jive Masters final and video :whistle:

Now thats a good question Andy. :tears:
I am not sure how accurate I am being, but are any of RobC, Will and DavidB event, class organisers or just teachers?

I think conditions would obviously be differnent for organisers who compete with running Ceroc nights.

Nigel has placed himself in the position of an organiser and openly undercuts Ceroc, which is part of his marketing plan. He takes an agrresive stance and again this is no secret.

So to come back to your question, I can see that teachers who are independant, non agressive, non competitive and of course within the 5'7 and a half inches limit would be able to teach for Ceroc subject to conditioner.

It is fortunate that you mention the JiveMasters video Andy. As you know Mandy and I are moving and we are currently packing. Guess what I found behind the filing cabinet. Can you guess, oh OK then 25 brand new JiveMaster 2003 videos in prestine condition ready to be banged out to the first punter who slaps some folding stuff into my palm. Go on Guv, make me an offer

Adam

Where'e the bloody spell check on the forum anyway :really: I am fed up with getting neg reps for my spelling. If I cood spell I wood have a reel job.

TheTramp
9th-September-2004, 12:27 PM
Guess what I found behind the filing cabinet. Can you guess, oh OK then 25 brand new JiveMaster 2004 videos in prestine condition
Do they already include the winners then Adam??? It'll save coming along in November to find out who won if they do! :devil:

Trampy

cerocmetro
9th-September-2004, 12:30 PM
Do they already include the winners then Adam??? It'll save coming along in November to find out who won if they do! :devil:

Trampy

Sorry you must have miss read it Steve :devil:

Gus
9th-September-2004, 12:31 PM
Nigel has placed himself in the position of an organiser and openly undercuts Ceroc, which is part of his marketing plan. He takes an agrresive stance and again this is no secret..{ODA Mode ON} Some may suggest that Hipsters overcuts Ceroc :devil: {ODA Mode OFF}



So to come back to your question, I can see that teachers who are independant, non agressive, non competitive ....would be able to teach for Ceroc subject to conditioner.That seems fair enough ... I cant see many organisations allowing someone who is in competition with them to stand on their stage. But ... its a bit of shame all the same.

TheTramp
9th-September-2004, 12:34 PM
Sorry you must have miss read it Steve :devil:
What? The "Last edited by cerocmetro : 9th-September-2004 at 12:29 PM. " bit?? :D Nah, I think I read that perfectly!! :rolleyes: :whistle:

Trampy

cerocmetro
9th-September-2004, 12:38 PM
What? The "Last edited by cerocmetro : 9th-September-2004 at 12:29 PM. " bit?? :D Nah, I think I read that perfectly!! :rolleyes: :whistle:

Trampy

Ok OK hands up, we do have the 2004 video and DVD already packed and ready to send out. How do you think we got it out so fast last time. Regretfully I am unable to tell you the winner yet. They are living in a secret house in North London with Simon Cowell.

Adam

Andy McGregor
9th-September-2004, 01:31 PM
I think conditions would obviously be differnent for organisers who compete with running Ceroc nights.

Nigel has placed himself in the position of an organiser and openly undercuts Ceroc, which is part of his marketing plan. He takes an agressive stance and again this is no secret.

So to come back to your question, I can see that teachers who are independant, non agressive, non competitive and of course within the 5'7 and a half inches limit would be able to teach for Ceroc subject to conditioner.


If Ceroc Metro have no problem working with Nigel how is this different from Ceroc Plus? :confused:

Plus, I think most people would have difficulty perceiving Nigel as agressive. And I don't think Hipsters undercuts Ceroc - even if they did, I don't think Ceroc would welcome Nigel as a teacher if all he did was put up the entry price at Hipsters.

p.s. Being over five foot seven and a half could be considered a disability and should not be used as a reason not to employ someone - of course you may have to provide special toilet facilities for these abnormally tall people :whistle:

cerocmetro
9th-September-2004, 04:50 PM
If Ceroc Metro have no problem working with Nigel how is this different from Ceroc Plus? :confused:

Plus, I think most people would have difficulty perceiving Nigel as agressive. And I don't think Hipsters undercuts Ceroc - even if they did, I don't think Ceroc would welcome Nigel as a teacher if all he did was put up the entry price at Hipsters.

p.s. Being over five foot seven and a half could be considered a disability and should not be used as a reason not to employ someone - of course you may have to provide special toilet facilities for these abnormally tall people :whistle:

Nigel is obviously not aggresive physically. Nigel quite openly told me that he undercuts Ceroc just for the hell of it. I would guess this is partly his sense of humour and partly I would guess a dig at Ceroc for how he was treated under the "old regime" That is also part of their marketing. This attitude has not made for a happy common ground.

But I say again, Nigel would be welcome back as a teacher. Infact he has been offered the chance on several occasions. But to do so he must realise that certain things need to change and I don't think that is being unfair.

Anyway again we are way off thread so let me help drag you back.
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Gordon J Pownall
10th-September-2004, 04:30 PM
So to come back to your question, I can see that teachers who are independant, non agressive, non competitive and of course within the 5'7 and a half inches limit would be able to teach for Ceroc subject to conditioner.

Does the conditioner make the hair lovely and soft and shiny so that is sits flat on the head thereby not taking the teacher into the abnormal world of exceeding 5' 7"....?????


Aw cud itt beee yuor speeling agnai????? :wink:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Rachel
10th-September-2004, 04:36 PM
Actually, Adam, with all this talk about clothes and appearances on the other thread, I wonder if you could answer a question for me?

You know how 'presentation' is one of the categories for judging in the JiveMasters? Well, I always took this to mean the way a couple would 'present' their dance to the audience - good lines, smile, etc etc - i.e. more about their dancing than their physical appearance.

However, after talking to some other audience members, they were marking this category purely on the clothes that the competitors were wearing.

Now I realise you can't tell the audience it definitely means one thing or the other, but are you able to say what the original definition was behind the word presentation? Or is it a bit of both?
Rachel

RobC
10th-September-2004, 04:45 PM
Now I realise you can't tell the audience it definitely means one thing or the other, but are you able to say what the original definition was behind the word presentation? Or is it a bit of both?
Rachel
IMHO, presentation is about both. It is about how you look as an individual, as a couple, how you look walking onto the floor, how you 'present' your moves to the judges, how you walk off the floor - the whole lot. It's the presenting moves one which is the tricky one to define for an amateur judge though - especially with the Jive Masters when there isn't a single focal point to present to as the 'judges' are all around you.

Andy McGregor
10th-September-2004, 04:45 PM
Does the conditioner make the hair lovely and soft and shiny so that is sits flat on the head thereby not taking the teacher into the abnormal world of exceeding 5' 7"....?????


I think that people could use their hair to increase their height past 5'7" - but why would they deliberately make themselves look deformed :confused:

Rachel
10th-September-2004, 05:31 PM
... when there isn't a single focal point to present to as the 'judges' are all around you. Oh yes, that's a good point - hadn't thought of that!
R.

Dreadful Scathe
10th-September-2004, 06:17 PM
Actually, Adam, with all this talk about clothes and appearances on the other thread, I wonder if you could answer a question for me?

You know how 'presentation' is one of the categories for judging in the JiveMasters? Well, I always took this to mean the way a couple would 'present' their dance to the audience - good lines, smile, etc etc - i.e. more about their dancing than their physical appearance.

However, after talking to some other audience members, they were marking this category purely on the clothes that the competitors were wearing.

Now I realise you can't tell the audience it definitely means one thing or the other, but are you able to say what the original definition was behind the word presentation? Or is it a bit of both?
Rachel
yeah I agree with Rob - "presentation" is the whole thing - how polished the dancing is, how happy they look to be there, how scrubbed up they are :) I find it most amusing that some people took "presentation" to mean "clothes" :D :D

cerocmetro
11th-September-2004, 04:23 PM
Actually, Adam, with all this talk about clothes and appearances on the other thread, I wonder if you could answer a question for me?

You know how 'presentation' is one of the categories for judging in the JiveMasters? Well, I always took this to mean the way a couple would 'present' their dance to the audience - good lines, smile, etc etc - i.e. more about their dancing than their physical appearance.

However, after talking to some other audience members, they were marking this category purely on the clothes that the competitors were wearing.Rachel

Well they think they are. They actually would be looking at the whole image thing, which is made up of clothes, how each of the partners compliments one another, shoes, accessories eg hats glasses, etc. This would be a part of the overall image including confidence when walking on, confidence executing the moves and the general overall package.

I am not convinced that the audience go for the big sparkley thing but they do like well presented and will recognise an effort in dress.

I hope this helps a bit.

Adam

Rachel
13th-September-2004, 09:41 AM
Adam - thanks!
Rachel

Pammy
13th-September-2004, 10:12 AM
Well, we all had a good night at Chigwell yesterday.

I must say I had three lovely dances. One with Adam, one with the wonderful Tatties and one, of course, with our good mate Gordon.

Gordie and Boomer were busilly doing the pinch test on poor Helens tummy and comparing notes on disguising undergarments that could be used for male dancing :blush: . They should've asked Andy :whistle: Come to think of it, where was Andy? :confused:

Nice to see you all, and thanks for the boogies :hug:

Pamster x

Andy McGregor
13th-September-2004, 10:53 AM
Gordie and Boomer were busilly doing the pinch test on poor Helens tummy and comparing notes on disguising undergarments that could be used for male dancing :blush: . They should've asked Andy :whistle:


Male dancing, you're asking the wrong guy :confused:


:whistle: Come to think of it, where was Andy? :confused:


We had visitors from Bushey - about 2 miles from Pammy's house.

Mary
19th-September-2004, 08:48 PM
Ummmmmm ..................who's going to Chigwell this Sunday 26th? :whistle: ..................who is not going to the BFG that is - bad timing! :rolleyes: :tears:

cerocmetro
19th-September-2004, 09:33 PM
Ummmmmm ..................who's going to Chigwell this Sunday 26th? :whistle: ..................who is not going to the BFG that is - bad timing! :rolleyes: :tears:

Sorry, what's the problem, I will be at the BFG and the JiveMasters :whistle: :waycool:

Missy D
19th-September-2004, 09:36 PM
Ummmmmm ..................who's going to Chigwell this Sunday 26th? :whistle: ..................who is not going to the BFG that is - bad timing! :rolleyes: :tears:

:yeah:

See you in Chigwell Mary x

Mary
21st-September-2004, 12:09 AM
:yeah:

See you in Chigwell Mary x


'course!! Bit of mutual support methinks - we can cheer each other even if no one else cheers us on :eek: :wink:

Adam mate - that's a busy weekend you've got planned - respect :worthy: You ain't going to be allowed to sit down for one second in Scotland I suspect. I think it's going to be a blast.

M

cerocmetro
23rd-September-2004, 10:31 AM
At Last :blush: we finally have a few pics of the JiveMasters this year. http://www.jivemasters.com/gallery/

So far we just have some from the Scottish heat. If you have digi pics and I know Lory has a few, can you send them to Ian Rogers ian@iprcom.com with a note of which heat they were taken at.

thanks

Adam

ianmate
24th-September-2004, 05:55 PM
At Last :blush: we finally have a few pics of the JiveMasters this year. http://www.jivemasters.com/gallery/


Ah, so that's why there's now triple the traffic on the site :nice:

Sorry for the delay in getting the pics up, my fault entirely... :whistle:

Yup, send lots to me - I can get them up super-fast now

:cheers:
Ian

Minnie M
27th-September-2004, 01:49 AM
Did you have your camera with you tonight Ian ?

Simon & Taina and Ray & Dawn got through

Tony & Mary - you were amazing especially that back flip :clap: - it must have been a very tight result, you looked really good to me :yeah:

Good night - had a great dance with Adam :drool: - respect to the man :worthy: putting on another great night after the BFG :cool:

Really pleased to meet fellow forumites Robin & Tez :hug:

Robin
27th-September-2004, 02:09 AM
Really pleased to meet fellow forumites Robin & Tez :hug:

Likewise I'm sure ! also met Andy McG ... and also exchanged about 3 words !

Thought all the competitors tonight were great :worthy:

under par
27th-September-2004, 07:18 AM
Simon & Taina and Ray & Dawn got through :worthy:

Anybody know the surnames of the above named.

Is Simon Mr Selmon?

TheTramp
27th-September-2004, 08:24 AM
:worthy:

Anybody know the surnames of the above named.

Is Simon Mr Selmon?
He is.

Taina's surname is Kortelainen....!

Trampy

under par
27th-September-2004, 08:34 AM
He is.

Taina's surname is Kortelainen....!

Trampy

cheers Trampy any ideas on the others? :confused:

Yogi_Bear
27th-September-2004, 08:38 AM
cheers Trampy any ideas on the others? :confused:
The competitors are:

Simon Selmon & Taina Kortelainen
Neil Hillier & Zara Rahemtulla
Ray Dunn & Dawn Adams
Tony Maquaire & Mary Kyte
Siu Fai Yuen & Karmel Gent

yb

Missy D
27th-September-2004, 08:40 AM
:worthy:

Anybody know the surnames of the above named.

Is Simon Mr Selmon?

Ray Dunne and Dawn Adams (me :nice: )

Had a great time last night! Felt more relaxed once the "the tail feather song" had been picked!

And Mary my tummy still goes over thinking of you doing that flip :worthy:

under par
27th-September-2004, 08:41 AM
The competitors are:

Simon Selmon & Taina Kortelainen
Neil Hillier & Zara Rahemtulla
Ray Dunn & Dawn Adams
Tony Maquaire & Mary Kyte
Siu Fai Yuen & Karmel Gent

yb


Thankyou Yogi. :cheers:

first names don't always mean much! :eek: :yeah:

Minnie M
27th-September-2004, 08:45 AM
Ray Dunne and Dawn Adams (me :nice: )

Didn't realise you are a forumite Missy D :really: have you say you danced really well :worthy: and loved your top :drool: (watch out Sparkles, you definitely have a contender here)

cerocmetro
27th-September-2004, 11:37 AM
And Mary my tummy still goes over thinking of you doing that flip :worthy:

Mary, they used that move in the Matrix but they used special effects. I swore that it look liked you were walking when you did it. You were awesome :worthy:

Adam

dee
27th-September-2004, 12:53 PM
What a fab evening, all the competitors were fab. :cheers: great to see you get through to the finals sis and Ray was so glad i could make it in the end :clap:

Mary
27th-September-2004, 01:17 PM
And Mary my tummy still goes over thinking of you doing that flip :worthy:

Guess what? My tummy goes over every time I think about doing that flip!!!
:eek:

OK, so we didn't get through but were very pleased if we were able to entertain people. That was some pretty tough competition to be up against.

Thanks for the great dance Adam - must try and grab you for some more. :drool:

Congrats. Dawn - looks like that sleepless night was worth it.

M

ianmate
27th-September-2004, 01:34 PM
Did you have your camera with you tonight Ian ?


No, for this one I'm just the webmaster. There's others on the stage doing the filming and stuff which I'm quite glad of - having done all the filming of the Beach Boogie comps I can tell you that the cameraman doesn't actually get to see anything; I'm too busy composing the frame to see what's going on :( (but then I get to watch the vids later :na: )

But there were lots of camera flashes going on, so get in touch with me webmaster@jivemasters.com if you got any good ones...



Tony & Mary - you were amazing especially that back flip :clap: - it must have been a very tight result, you looked really good to me :yeah:


Yes, awesome moves with a very high difficulty, the results must have been tight.

cerocmetro
6th-October-2004, 04:52 PM
Well here we are, the last heat looms and isn't it great that Rachel who started this massive thread is in it.

The LAST HEAT IS ON HALLOWEEN :devil:
Sunday October 31st 7pm -10.50pm

The David Lloyd Club, Roding Lane, Buckhurst Hill, Chigwell Essex

the competitors this month are;

Viktor Andeke & Carol Haines
Dale St Rose & Catriona Wiles
David Rokov & Val Forsey
Greg Davidson & Joy
Mark Foster & Rachel Pears


My apologies I don't have Joy's surname at the moment. Some of you may spot that Dale is in it again. Christina could not make the finals so the only way Dale could go through was to go through another heat :worthy: Respect to that man.

OK video DVD news.

You may have worked it out by now that the video last year was awesome. 3 hours of non-stop brilliant dancing. Many have said the best MJ video EVER produced. But hey, don't take my word, ask on the forum.

This year we are producing a DVD. The cost will be £18.50. The Video £15 Still cheaper than any other dance DVD around and again we promise you the best, that's how we do things in Metroland :whistle:

BUT we have an offer. The DVD and video will be ready within 1 week of the finals :whistle:

If you buy beforehand we will sell the DVD at only £15 and the Video at £12.50 plus P & P.

This is a forum offer :clap:
You can pre buy by emailing ceroc@hotmail.com or call 07768 005858

TheTramp
6th-October-2004, 04:54 PM
Ooh. Tough heat!!!

Best of luck to everyone :hug:

Trampy

cerocmetro
6th-October-2004, 05:14 PM
Well here we are, the last heat looms and isn't it great that Rachel who started this massive thread is in it.

The LAST HEAT IS ON HALLOWEEN :devil:
Sunday October 31st 7pm -10.50pm

The David Lloyd Club, Roding Lane, Buckhurst Hill, Chigwell Essex

the competitors this month are;

Viktor Andeke & Carol Haines
Dale St Rose & Catriona Wiles
David Rokov & Val Forsey
Greg Davidson & Joy
Mark Foster & Rachel Pears


My apologies I don't have Joy's surname at the moment. Some of you may spot that Dale is in it again. Christina could not make the finals so the only way Dale could go through was to go through another heat :worthy: Respect to that man.

OK video DVD news.

You may have worked it out by now that the video last year was awesome. 3 hours of non-stop brilliant dancing. Many have said the best MJ video EVER produced. But hey, don't take my word, ask on the forum.

This year we are producing a DVD. The cost will be £18.50. The Video £15 Still cheaper than any other dance DVD around and again we promise you the best, that's how we do things in Metroland :whistle:

BUT we have an offer. The DVD and video will be ready within 1 week of the finals :whistle:

If you buy beforehand we will sell the DVD at only £15 and the Video at £12.50 plus P & P.

This is a forum offer :clap:
You can pre buy by emailing ceroc@hotmail.com or call 07768 005858


Amazing, within seconds the first person to take up the cheap offer is from OZ, Respect Martin :worthy:

Sheepman
6th-October-2004, 05:29 PM
My apologies I don't have Joy's surname at the moment.It's Tickell, which she does frequently! :blush:

Greg

Martin
6th-October-2004, 05:33 PM
Amazing, within seconds the first person to take up the cheap offer is from OZ, Respect Martin :worthy:

Well these Aussie customers are quick...

"Go Adrian and Louise"

:clap: :clap:

cerocmetro
6th-October-2004, 05:39 PM
It's Tickell, which she does frequently! :blush:

Greg

Thanx and Good luck

Sheepman
6th-October-2004, 05:55 PM
Thanx and Good luck :cheers: I think I'm gonna need it :whistle:

Greg

Simon r
6th-October-2004, 06:13 PM
Ooh. Tough heat!!!

Best of luck to everyone :hug:

Trampy

this is by far the best set out of all the heats ..
good luck to you all ...
Dale have you not already been in a heat

RobC
6th-October-2004, 06:18 PM
Dale have you not already been in a heat
Spot who obviously hasn't read the whole of Adam's post ... :rofl:

Simon r
6th-October-2004, 06:29 PM
Spot who obviously hasn't read the whole of Adam's post ... :rofl:
oops sorry just read it thanks
R :wink: ob

Gus
6th-October-2004, 10:51 PM
Viktor Andeke & Carol Haines
Dale St Rose & Catriona Wiles
David Rokov & Val Forsey
Greg Davidson & Joy
Mark Foster & Rachel Pears
BL**DY H*LL!! What a heat :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: .... in many competitions that would be good enough for the final. Only two to go through? .. no fair!

cerocmetro
7th-October-2004, 12:45 AM
BL**DY H*LL!! What a heat :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: .... in many competitions that would be good enough for the final. Only two to go through? .. no fair!

As far as competitors are concerned for next year, the tendancy seems to be wait to the later heats, but this is the kinda heat you end up with. My recommendations for next year, get in early, in fact we are already taking names for next year.

If you know anyone who should be in the JiveMasters next year, ie someone who has won a competition, a teacher/professional or just bl**dy brilliant, please let me know so we can contact them.

Gus we WILL hold at least one heat North of the M25 and South of Scotland. If no ceroc franchisees are prepared or able to hold the heat, then you have my assurance it will go outside, but Franchisees are warming to the idea of hosting one.

For the records the finals of the JM 2005 will be on Saturday 22nd October.

Adam

cerocmetro
7th-October-2004, 03:14 PM
Do the Ausiies know a good deal when they see one,

I have 7 pre-orders for the JM DVD 2004 at a discounted price. ALL FROM OZ.

Will, where is your order?

We will arrange a premier viewing on Sunday 21st (less than 20 hours after the event) for the press and selected dignitaries, oh yes and Will who has agreed to be our leading sales rep for the DVD/Video launch.

Thanks again Will :worthy:

Adam

Will
7th-October-2004, 04:09 PM
Do the Ausiies know a good deal when they see one,

I have 7 pre-orders for the JM DVD 2004 at a discounted price. ALL FROM OZ.

Will, where is your order?

We will arrange a premier viewing on Sunday 21st (less than 20 hours after the event) for the press and selected dignitaries, oh yes and Will who has agreed to be our leading sales rep for the DVD/Video launch.

Thanks again Will :worthy:

Adam

Indeed, Thankyou Adam.

That's right everyone, I am heading up the CerocMetro DVD/Video Sales force. And on that note I'm proud to announce that the Jivemasters 2004 DVD will be available for the sum of a mere £5. Not only that, anyone who orders 2 or more copies will be entitled to 6 months free entry at all CerocMetro events and will be able to help themselves to as many drinks as they like for themselves and their friends for no extra charge!

I would personally like to thank Adam for this postumous act of generosity and say that this gesture goes along way to proving how untrue all the rumours are!


Will - CerocMetro Sales Director

There you go Adam, that should shift a few copies :wink:

cerocmetro
7th-October-2004, 05:15 PM
Indeed, Thankyou Adam.

That's right everyone, I am heading up the CerocMetro DVD/Video Sales force. And on that note I'm proud to announce that the Jivemasters 2004 DVD will be available for the sum of a mere £5. Not only that, anyone who orders 2 or more copies will be entitled to 6 months free entry at all CerocMetro events and will be able to help themselves to as many drinks as they like for themselves and their friends for no extra charge!

I would personally like to thank Adam for this postumous act of generosity and say that this gesture goes along way to proving how untrue all the rumours are!


Will - CerocMetro Sales Director

There you go Adam, that should shift a few copies :wink:

Got to give it a go mate. Like the sell under cost price approach, usually works. :tears:

As for 6 months free entry, by the time you consider the time the teachers are trained, the time and effort involved getting all Metro venues to the level of brilliance they have achieved all the time crew training, marketing, etc etc etc, divide that into the time the average dancer spends at the venue, in statistical terms they come in free anyway, so yeh why not :rofl:

Are you after a promotion or something, see why I chose this man :tears:

Adam

adss
11th-October-2004, 06:50 AM
Do I take it that you won't be participating? I would have been interested to see what you would have made of the new air steps rule! :wink: :worthy:

Greg

Hi,
sorry if I'm asking a silly question, but I've missed seeing the thread discussing the new air steps rule? Can someone please help me out as I don't even know what an "air step" is.

Kind regards,
Adrian :)

RobC
11th-October-2004, 03:28 PM
Hi,
sorry if I'm asking a silly question, but I've missed seeing the thread discussing the new air steps rule? Can someone please help me out as I don't even know what an "air step" is.

Kind regards,
Adrian :)
An "Airstep" is defined in the JiveMasters rules (http://www.jivemasters.com/rules.html) as :

This is a dance competition and not a gymnastics display, however aerials are allowed but are restricted as below.
Aerials are judged as when both of the ladies feet are above the guys waist
Only 2 aerials are allowed per track (ie. 4 in total)
A sequence of moves (where the lady may touch the floor in between each part) are counted as one aerial.

Rachel
11th-October-2004, 04:00 PM
Oh Christ, what have I agreed to!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Greg - how are you feeling?

All I'm hoping is not to be so scared that I'm unable to enjoy it and see the fun in it. And, of course, that I don't make toooo much of an idiot of myself (so easily done these days!!).


I would personally like to thank Adam for this postumous ... Posthumous? Oh, is he dead? Such a lovely guy as well ....


... Mark Foster ... Correction: Marc Forster

PS - I'm dying to know - who got through the mini masters this weekend?

R. xxx

Sheepman
11th-October-2004, 04:18 PM
Greg - how are you feeling? About the same as you by the sounds of it! (But don't tell Joy that!)

that I don't make toooo much of an idiot of myself Except that is part of my game plan!

Greg :kiss:

Gojive
11th-October-2004, 04:18 PM
PS - I'm dying to know - who got through the mini masters this weekend?

R. xxx

Not me :tears: The following 3 couples got through, and congratulations to them all! :cheers: ...

Andy Martin & Karen Hillier
Ian Rogers & Karen Elliott
Pat & Gina Nolan

Btw, there were 3 couples, on account of the fact that all three tied on votes :)

Rachel
11th-October-2004, 04:38 PM
... Except that is part of my game plan!

Greg :kiss: You and Marc both, I think! I have to say, I'm rather nervous he's going to get even more wild and wacky than usual! Hm, is that possible??

Looking forward to seeing you, though, Greg - would prefer not to be competing against you, but nice to have friendly faces there!

Rachel

Rachel
11th-October-2004, 04:43 PM
Not me :tears: The following 3 couples got through, and congratulations to them all! :cheers: ...

Andy Martin & Karen Hillier
Ian Rogers & Karen Elliott
Pat & Gina Nolan

Btw, there were 3 couples, on account of the fact that all three tied on votes :) Oh bad luck - but at least you can be reassured that you're in fantastic company - there are so many brilliant couples who haven't got through. But I hope they'll do it again next year.

Hope you enjoyed it though? It's not tooo terrifying, is it?? Can you actually manage to forget that you've got all eyes on you when you're dancing?

Wish I'd been there to watch, but we were on our way home from Folkestone and absolutely shattered. I bet you were all amazing!

Rachel x

Gojive
11th-October-2004, 05:00 PM
Oh bad luck - but at least you can be reassured that you're in fantastic company - there are so many brilliant couples who haven't got through.

Very true! :worthy:


]But I hope they'll do it again next year.

I know Adam is planning to, providing there is sufficient interest :)


Hope you enjoyed it though?

Yes! :D It was way better than competing in the intermediates at Hammersmith back in May (IMHO)


It's not tooo terrifying, is it??

Ummmm..this best describes my emotion ----> :eek:


Can you actually manage to forget that you've got all eyes on you when you're dancing?

Strangely enough, we could!. I think it's because we were so hell bent on not cocking things up big time, the audience became a blur :blush:

Finally, good luck with yours Rachel! :flower: :flower: :flower:

cerocmetro
11th-October-2004, 05:47 PM
An "Airstep" is defined in the JiveMasters rules (http://www.jivemasters.com/rules.html) as :

This is a dance competition and not a gymnastics display, however aerials are allowed but are restricted as below.
Aerials are judged as when both of the ladies feet are above the guys waist
Only 2 aerials are allowed per track (ie. 4 in total)
A sequence of moves (where the lady may touch the floor in between each part) are counted as one aerial.


Thanks Rob but just to clarify, it is when either partners feet are above their partners waist height.

Adam

cerocmetro
11th-October-2004, 05:52 PM
Not me :tears: The following 3 couples got through, and congratulations to them all! :cheers: ...

Andy Martin & Karen Hillier
Ian Rogers & Karen Elliott
Pat & Gina Nolan

Btw, there were 3 couples, on account of the fact that all three tied on votes :)

Again just to clarify, there was a draw between two couples, that was coincidence enough. I called all three couples on to the floor so as not to identify the couple who came first. I am very determined not to have "placed" in the heats as I feel this makes couples feel they are underdogs in the final.

I was a bit wicked I know but it kinda justified why I put all three couples through. For anyone who was not there, I asked the audience to decide which couple should be eliminated. They all went very quiet and gave me an icey stare and realised there was only one thing to do.

Adam

jiveclone
11th-October-2004, 08:42 PM
A sequence of moves (where the lady may touch the floor in between each part) are counted as one aerial.


Isn't the entire dance a sequence of moves, which could therefore be regarded as one aerial under this rule? :devil:

Robin
11th-October-2004, 11:41 PM
Wish I'd been there to watch, but we were on our way home from Folkestone and absolutely shattered. I bet you were all amazing!

Rachel x

They were good ... and we made it back from Folkestone too ! :whistle:
That 2.30-3am finish did me in for today though !

adss
11th-October-2004, 11:52 PM
An "Airstep" is defined in the JiveMasters rules (http://www.jivemasters.com/rules.html) as :

This is a dance competition and not a gymnastics display, however aerials are allowed but are restricted as below.
Aerials are judged as when both of the ladies feet are above the guys waist
Only 2 aerials are allowed per track (ie. 4 in total)
A sequence of moves (where the lady may touch the floor in between each part) are counted as one aerial.


Hi,
thank you for the clarification.

Kind regards,
Adrian

Rachel
12th-October-2004, 11:56 AM
They were good ... and we made it back from Folkestone too ! :whistle:
That 2.30-3am finish did me in for today though ! Wow - I'm impressed with your stamina!!
Rachel

(great music at the weekend, btw!)

Sparkles
12th-October-2004, 01:24 PM
Rachel, Greg, I don't know what either of you are worried about - you're both going to be fantastic :clap: .
Have a big hug from me, and stop worrying :hug: .
Can't wait to see you both in action. Good luck!

Sparkles. xxx

CJ
12th-October-2004, 01:31 PM
Quite obviously, I'm not involved ( :what: ). However, I would still like to know what's happening.

Adam,

Would you be so good as to provide a little summary:

who is through?

How many first round heats are left?

When are next heats?

What round is the next heat?

Who is in what heat, with whom (if you have that info)?

etc, etc...

Thank you, honeybun.

cerocmetro
12th-October-2004, 01:34 PM
Quite obviously, I'm not involved ( :what: ). However, I would still like to know what's happening.

Adam,

Would you be so good as to provide a little summary:

who is through?

How many first round heats are left?

When are next heats?

What round is the next heat?

Who is in what heat, with whom (if you have that info)?

etc, etc...

Thank you, honeybun.

You can get it all at www.jivemasters.com

There is one more heat left. Then at the finals there will be 6 semis with three couples in each. One couple from each semi will go through to the final.

In the final, each couple again dance on their own.
the music will NOT be released until the night.

Adam

Gojive
12th-October-2004, 01:36 PM
the music will NOT be released until the night.

Much like Sunday's Mini-Masters heat then Adam? :confused:

cerocmetro
12th-October-2004, 01:55 PM
Much like Sunday's Mini-Masters heat then Adam? :confused:

In as much as we did not advertise the music before the first round I guess, but we have used the same music throughout the mini masters, so no not really quite the same.

RobC
12th-October-2004, 02:02 PM
Aerials are judged as when both of the ladies feet are above the guys waist


Thanks Rob but just to clarify, it is when either partners feet are above their partners waist height.

This was copied directly from your website - are you saying that you are changing the rules part way through the competition Adam :devil:

So, to clarify, do you mean when both feet of either partner ..... or do you mean either foot of a partner (ie. one foot above, one below the partners waist)? :wink: