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Gus
15th-April-2004, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by spindr
IP.S. it was a breath of fresh air to go along to a new class and get told on the very first lesson that the leader has a duty of care to lead the follower safely; and that the order of importance was: keep you partner safe, keep other dancers safe; and only then worry about keeping in time and finishing a move. Shame that it wasn't an MJ lesson, but tango :(

Off thread I know but

....sorry to rain on the parade but I'm sick to the back teeth of telling punters basic safety, ettiquette, relaxed grips etc and STILL see the idiots barging around, wrenching arms etc. etc. :angry: :angry: :angry:

Lou
15th-April-2004, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Gus
...and STILL see the idiots barging around, wrenching arms etc. etc. :angry: :angry: :angry: Tell me about it! I'm still suffering a sore shoulder following Tuesday's class including a full nelson & lasso sway. :tears:

ChrisA
15th-April-2004, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Gus
....sorry to rain on the parade but I'm sick to the back teeth of telling punters basic safety, ettiquette, relaxed grips etc and STILL see the idiots barging around, wrenching arms etc. etc. :angry: :angry: :angry:
Why don't you publicly emphasise that it's a real problem on the dancefloor, and that (the worst of) those people that don't get their act together will be banned?

If it's that bad, maybe more draconian steps are necessary.

The issue isn't that the problem is a difficult one to solve, just that the solution may be unacceptable to too many people.

Chris

Gus
15th-April-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by ChrisA
The issue isn't that the problem is a difficult one to solve, just that the solution may be unacceptable to too many people.

Chris

Disagree. Its a social event ... you cant impose draconian rules without making it sound like non-fun place .... can you imagine the sight of Taxi dancer patrolling the dancefloor giving out yellow and red cards .... come to think it though .......:wink:

ChrisA
15th-April-2004, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Gus
Disagree. Its a social event ... you cant impose draconian rules without making it sound like non-fun place .... can you imagine the sight of Taxi dancer patrolling the dancefloor giving out yellow and red cards .... come to think it though .......:wink:

Sounds like you agree, actually, but that you aren't prepared to implement the solution :D

The point about draconian solutions is that you don't need to go all the way to the maximum level of draconian before you start to see some benefit.

Long before you got to actually ban anyone you could:

... sound a lot tougher when making the announcements...
... have a quiet word with some of the worst individuals
... offer help to the ones that want to change
... make it clear that the worst of these will be banned if they continue

However you make it sound, it isn't fun if you get injured. Most reasonable people will support you I would have thought.

Chris

Stuart M
15th-April-2004, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Gus
.... can you imagine the sight of Taxi dancer patrolling the dancefloor giving out yellow and red cards .... come to think it though .......:wink:
On a thread elsewhere I mentioned the idea of police dancers, as a joke. However, I thought about it a bit more and realised it's maybe not so daft.

If you think about what happens when there's a police car on the road (everyone starts behaving themselves, driving at the speed limit, etc), then maybe, handled correctly, it could work. It requires a dance event to have specific people with recognised authority, and for all those attending to be asked to respect that authority. Granted, there's a slight cultural shift required for this to work, but after initial hostility it would.

I'm thinking more about bigger events here like weekenders, comps, and party nights. The teacher at regular dance nights can do this job.

Gus
15th-April-2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by ChrisA
Long before you got to actually ban anyone you could:

... sound a lot tougher when making the announcements...
... have a quiet word with some of the worst individuals

Chris

Been there and done it. Although I may come across as a soft little chap (:tears: ) I have been noted to be somewhat assertive when giving out my Sermons from the Mount ... though maybe I did overstep the mark when I referred to the offenders and "f*wits":sick:

Unfortunately, I'm not the franchisee and I think it is there decision (or the relevant Dance Organisation) to lay out a policy. In truth, I do have a lot of sympathy with what you propose, but identifying the culprits, validating the facts and then the exclusion all need careful though ... and I'm not sure that many franchisees would like to enforce this ..... though I will mention this all to Blitz ... joking aside, I think there may be some merit in the Blitz Jives having some 'referee' type authority/role.

sars
15th-April-2004, 02:42 PM
ok the reson this still goes on is because alot of people who dance with these that lets say lead a little to forcefully is that the dancers are to worried about saying something incase they offend them! which is yeah a nice thing to do.... well if you say so. i personally think it's politer and alot nicer if you tell this person so you and the rest of the place dont have to put up with it, after all if you hear several people telling you somethings wrong with how you personally are dancing not an instructor standing on stage tellin everyone, because it never applies to you then. Maybe that'd be a good thing for insturctors to put emphasis on that if someone does hurt you to tell them about it instead of avoindin them for the rest of your dancin days. What u think??

Sheepman
15th-April-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by sars
insturctors to put emphasis on that if someone does hurt you to tell them about it Sounds fair enough.

And I think Gadget has serious competition for a spelling bee :wink:

Greg

Emma
15th-April-2004, 03:13 PM
In my (fairly limited) experience most of the people I have plucked up courage to *nicely* (well, usually) mention to that they are in danger of breaking bits off me through bending them in the wrong direction have been really OK about it, often a bit surprised( because there is a culture of not saying even if most of us have an extensive list of 'yankers') and sometimes even grateful.

I agree that a teacher could mention this from the stage on occasion...but actually generally go dancing for the fun and not to have a list of dos and don'ts regularly shoved down my throat. :nice: Most people will tune it out after the second or third time (it's human nature). I seem to remember there being a discussion back in the mists of time about having a *list* of dos and don'ts (the forum archivist might like to trawl through and find it...) that new members or repetitive offenders might be given/reminded of, which would seem to me to be more effective and perhaps slightly gentler.


Am thinking today - very disturbing, normal service will be resumed asap...:flower: This post ought also to be up before the punctuation police :wink:

Jayne
15th-April-2004, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by sars
insturctors to put emphasis on that if someone does hurt you to tell them about it instead of avoindin them for the rest of your dancin days. What u think??
I did this on Tuesday! There was a move in the routine where the girl went from facing and in double hand hold to being wrapped in, in basket position. The idea was to make it *look* sharp - but I ended up with the guy who thought that meant "pull the girl about until she hurts". When he did this an involuntary "ow!" came out. In the past I would have kept quiet but after discussions on here I decided to speak to him. I just said that the lead was too harsh and he hurt me - don't do it like that again. He looked quite taken aback - and didn't ask me to dance that night.

I'm on a one woman crusade against the yankers! Anyone else care to join me?

J :nice:

(I too noticed the contender to Gadget's crown, but thought I'd cut some slack given that it was their third post...)

sars
15th-April-2004, 03:25 PM
people will b taken aback by bein told they hurt especially if they've been dancin yrs an u haven't!

don't worry bout em not askin u to dance that nite they will do eventually men's ego's take a while afta they've had even the slightest dent!! an if they neva ask again well either u go ask or jus think at least u dont have to avoid them because of there harsh grip or roughness!

thanx for the slack but really i can handle it!!!:grin:

Emma
15th-April-2004, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by sars
thanx for the slack but really i can handle it!!!:grin: Careful or we'll set Heather on ya :wink:

Punkfish
15th-April-2004, 03:44 PM
I'm on a one woman crusade against the yankers! Anyone else care to join me?

Ooo...bet u had to be careful with ur spelling on that one :really:

I know men can be terrible yankers at times but some women can be terrible clingers too! I have three deformed fingers to prove it!


x

Lounge Lizard
15th-April-2004, 03:47 PM
well I have have been known to preach from the stage.
every time I develop a move (not just drops) i try to find what will be done wrong and point out the safe way to do the move,
Then stand on stage wathcing the worst offenders ignore me cos they know best:angry: :angry:

I have been know to ask an indvidual if they are dancing with the lady or unscrewing their arm - That does sod all good

I have even stopped one guy from coming to my class - then the ladies that complained moaned that he no longer came to the venue:what:

I belive the answer lies with the first lessons as they hang on every word, once the bad habits are settled they are a bugger to remove

If I dance with a lady with a strong grip I just let her hand go and break contact EVERY time she does it - after about four dances in a row she gets the idea.
peter

Punkfish
15th-April-2004, 03:52 PM
If I dance with a lady with a strong grip I just let her hand go and break contact EVERY time she does it - after about four dances in a row she gets the idea.

Hmm... that sounds like a better tactic than the one I use.... Vaseline on the hand, works a treat but the side effects are not advantageous!

sars
15th-April-2004, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Punkfish
Hmm... that sounds like a better tactic than the one I use.... Vaseline on the hand, works a treat but the side effects are not advantageous!

Hey mr.punkfish we dont really wanna no wot u get upto in ur spare time!!! is that wot u really do u normally blame it on sweaty hands!!:wink:

DavidB
15th-April-2004, 05:40 PM
You have 2 problems:

- Many people have bad habits that they don't realise. (I'm assuming that people don't deliberately do something wrong.)
- Many people feel uncomfortable telling someone else that they are doing something wrong - usually because they don't feel they have the experience or the authority to do so.

So here's an idea:
Get together a small group of the best leaders & followers at a venue. Give them T-shirts that say "Blitz/Ceroc/Leroc (delete as applicable) Teaching Assistant". Then during the intermediate class their job is to give people unsolicited advice. Make sure everyone else in the class knows that they will do this.

ChrisA
15th-April-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by DavidB
So here's an idea:
Get together a small group of the best leaders & followers at a venue. Give them T-shirts that say "Blitz/Ceroc/Leroc (delete as applicable) Teaching Assistant". Then during the intermediate class their job is to give people unsolicited advice. Make sure everyone else in the class knows that they will do this.
:rofl:

Nice one David. But April 1 was a fortnight ago.

Chris

thewacko
15th-April-2004, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Jayne


I'm on a one woman crusade against the yankers! Anyone else care to join me?

:devil: OOPS sorry thought you said summat else:blush:

spindr
15th-April-2004, 06:17 PM
Well Gus quoted me :) at the start of the thread

The point I was making was that it was nice to have the safety aspects brought out in the very first class!

Obviously, the points are reinforced over time -- but at least dancers start off in the right frame of mind, etc.

(Maybe, this is due to tango developing in a culture with a large number of men (say 20?) per available woman. The guys definitely had to impress to get dances -- just as well I can go back to MJ.)

SpinDr.

Daisy
15th-April-2004, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by sars
Hey mr.punkfish we dont really wanna no wot u get upto in ur spare time!!! is that wot u really do u normally blame it on sweaty hands!!:wink:


Do you do a lot of texting by any chance?:what: :wink:

ElaineB
15th-April-2004, 07:03 PM
Jayne,

Re 'yankers'! :wink: I too have employed that technique! I get fed up with being pulled about or put into 'back breaker drops' and will now tell politely point out the problem. If they don't listen - their problem, as I will either let go or go absolutely rigid so that I cannot be put into a drop! The expression on one guys face was a peach as he struggled vainly to force me into the drop, but I would not do it!! :D



Elaine

Daisy
15th-April-2004, 07:23 PM
My pet hate is when a man clamps his thumb on to the back of my hand with a vice-like grip:sick:

It's amazing how such a small action can make you feel sooooo consticted. My usual response is to firmly peel his thumb off whilst saying.... "don't worry, I'm not going to run away"!:wink:

Before anyone says it, I do realise that some moves do require the thumb to be place on the back of the womans hand.:whistle:

Chose a new avator....to reflect my new hair cut.

:rofl:

ChrisA
15th-April-2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Daisy
....to reflect my new hair cut.
Is that "new" as in the one you unleashed on an unsuspecting world at Minnie's party :yum: (well, I hadn't seen it before then, anyway), or yet another one???

Not sure I can keep up... :flower:

Chris

thewacko
16th-April-2004, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by ChrisA
Not sure I can keep up... :flower:

Chris

Try the viagra link in 'take it upstairs':blush:

Zebra Woman
16th-April-2004, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Daisy
My pet hate is when a man clamps his thumb on to the back of my hand with a vice-like grip:sick:
:rofl:

Me too. I have lost count of how many times the man then asks me if there's something wrong with my hands???? They look at me sometimes as though I shouldn't be out dancing with injured hands. THEY'RE NOT INJURED YET!:angry:

I have had shoulder problems for 6 years, caused by a man squeezing my fingers and forcing a move, probably off the beat too. He injured 5 women in a month and was banned from Leroc until he'd had private lessons to correct the problem, he later turned up at Ceroc, slightly improved, but too scary for me. I would avoid the class incase I got him.

Even now ( infact it's worse now I'm older ) my shoulder flares up and aches for 3/4 days if I have a dance with a yanker. Sadly I've become fussy. Some nights I have looked around the room and can't see more than 5 people I can have a safe dance with. Very occasionally there will be a beginner I can trust.

It seems to me that many venues are concentrating on teaching moves. Lead, follow, and respect are not getting their fair share of the attention. I was really impressed with David and Lily's Modern Jive Class at RB this April. I learned things there, and felt smoother afterwards. Joseph and Trisha were also hitting the nail on the head. If only all beginners went there first. :cheers:

ChrisA
16th-April-2004, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Zebra Woman
Even now ( infact it's worse now I'm older ) my shoulder flares up and aches for 3/4 days if I have a dance with a yanker. Sadly I've become fussy. Some nights I have looked around the room and can't see more than 5 people I can have a safe dance with. Very occasionally there will be a beginner I can trust.

It upsets me greatly when I hear accounts like this - sadly they're all too common.

Personally I believe the emphasis is too much on letting people just get on with it, and not enough on tackling things that are really a problem...

... I'd rather MJ was more fun for people that enjoy dancing considerately, and less fun for the yankers. :devil:

Are you still planning to head for Hammersmith on tomorrow night ZW? If so, will you be looking stripey, or should I look for someone running away if I have shoulders on display? :flower:

Chris

Jooles
16th-April-2004, 11:54 AM
How awful that there are so few dancers that you trust not to yank you around the dance floor. I find so few that do that. The thing that puts me off a partner is when they take no notice whatsoever of people dancing near you and merrily spin you into anybody and everybody.

You can tell quickly which guys are looking for a space for you to safely spin into and which guys just don't bother. I hadn't really noticed it until I had an operation in the summer and even after all this time I have a little part of me that is really tender to the touch and so am always concerned about being whacked there by a stray hand or elbow.

It's a long time since I was a beginner so this is something that may be mentioned at beginners workshops, but I rarely hear teachers mentioning it at beginners classes.

They probably think it's common sense. Sadly we are not all blessed with enough of that !!!!

TheTramp
16th-April-2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Zebra Woman
I was really impressed with David and Lily's Modern Jive Class at RB this April. I learned things there, and felt smoother afterwards. Joseph and Trisha were also hitting the nail on the head. If only all beginners went there first. :cheers: You were there?? Did we dance?? (I'm the bald, fat, ugly one who's dancingly challenged).

Trampy

Zebra Woman
16th-April-2004, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by TheTramp
You were there?? Did we dance?? (I'm the bald, fat, ugly one who's dancingly challenged).

Trampy

Goodness knows! I only had a couple of tricky dances all weekend and those men weren't bald. So if we did dance it was definitely good. If we didn't dance, then I'm sure we will next time.
:grin:

TheTramp
16th-April-2004, 01:30 PM
Ummm. This is me.

I'm the one on the left :whistle:

(If anyone can edit out the double chin, I'd be grateful)

Trampy

Gadget
16th-April-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by TheTramp
(If anyone can edit out the double chin, I'd be grateful)
I edited it out... and look what was beneith...
{had a couple of mins before had to go back to work :whistle:... you should see what I could do if I had the time :innocent:}

Zebra Woman
16th-April-2004, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by TheTramp
Ummm. This is me.

Trampy

Oh Yes! We had loads of dances, you were great, very musical..... I felt unworthy. I'm not putting my picture in here tho.

We had a conversation with David Barker and I asked you both what your favourite tracks were.

Curly hair, flying skirts I think that should be enough....:wink:

TheTramp
16th-April-2004, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Gadget
I edited it out... and look what was beneith...
{had a couple of mins before had to go back to work :whistle:... you should see what I could do if I had the time :innocent:} Umm. Thanks Gadget. Remind me about this when I see you tonight please, and I'll show you my appreciation :D

I think I remember you Z-Woman. I sent you a PM :D

Trampy

Gadget
16th-April-2004, 02:44 PM
:blush: sorry, that was a bit cruel - here's a better one:

{Got plasterboard and timber to move indoors tonight before the thunder comes - don't know if I can make it... :tears:}

TheTramp
16th-April-2004, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Gadget
:blush: sorry, that was a bit cruel - here's a better one:

{Got plasterboard and timber to move indoors tonight before the thunder comes - don't know if I can make it... :tears:} Way hey!! And I get to be on a desert island with Hayley. What more could a man want??? Now, if you can just arrange both of those in real life.. :whistle:

Be a shame if you can't make it tonight. I'd earmarked to play all your favourite tunes :na:

Trampy

Sheepman
16th-April-2004, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Gadget
- here's a better one: :rofl:
So many laughs today, I'm not sure I can take any more.

That man reminds me of someone, now who could that be . . .
Oh yes, how could I forget, he hit on me last time I was in Kemptown :wink:

Greg

Gadget
16th-April-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by TheTramp
Be a shame if you can't make it tonight. I'd earmarked to play all your favourite tunes :na:
Just play lots of Doors, Blues Brothers, and other tracks that seem to last forever.... and a few really fast tracks as well.
(hopefully that’ll get it out of your system so you can play some decent stuff :na: :D)

TheTramp
16th-April-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Gadget
Just play lots of Doors, Blues Brothers, and other tracks that seem to last forever.... and a few really fast tracks as well.
(hopefully that’ll get it out of your system so you can play some decent stuff :na: :D) I don't think that I've got any Doors or Blues Brothers. And I can get away with playing some fast tracks tonight. Bill is away!! :D

Trampy

Gadget
16th-April-2004, 05:19 PM
?

Nick M
16th-April-2004, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by ElaineB
The expression on one guys face was a peach as he struggled vainly to force me into the drop, but I would not do it!!

that wasnt me was it?

Daisy
16th-April-2004, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by ChrisA
Is that "new" as in the one you unleashed on an unsuspecting world at Minnie's party :yum: (well, I hadn't seen it before then, anyway), or yet another one???

Not sure I can keep up... :flower:

Chris

No, it's the same one but the colour, or should I say the shade of blond has changed....... again!

Your alright Chris but it's Ray that has trouble keeping up (notice I didn't put -'IT'- in that sentence!)

Gadget....your photo-editing of Trampy is excellent. I reckon he should pay you for that picture, after all, think of all the promotional material and internet dating sites it will appear on from now on !

:rofl: :whistle: :rofl:

Sorry Steve, couldn't resist:hug: :flower:

ElaineB
16th-April-2004, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Nick M
that wasnt me was it?

Most definitely not!!! It was a guy who used to dance in Cardiff - he insisted in 'breaking the Ladies back' over his knee. It hurt!! :tears: He was a big guy, so it was really funny as we struggled for control - I won!! :rofl:

If you are at Kingswood tomorrow night, save a dance for me? :flower:

Elaine

thewacko
16th-April-2004, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Jooles
How awful that there are so few dancers that you trust not to yank you around the dance floor. I find so few that do that. The thing that puts me off a partner is when they take no notice whatsoever of people dancing near you and merrily spin you into anybody and everybody.

Unfortunately there are some of these at al venues, although there is one move - the basket spin out thingummy watsit - where i have perfected the art of being able to swing the lady out to hit the bloke near me who doesn't care what he is doing to whom:devil:


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You can tell quickly which guys are looking for a space for you to safely spin into and which guys just don't bother. I hadn't really noticed it until I had an operation in the summer and even after all this time I have a little part of me that is really tender to the touch and so am always concerned about being whacked there by a stray hand or elbow.

:blush: I have got to admit there are times when I have looked for the all clear, moved my partner into the sexy dancing seducing bit, only for someone to have moved into the space as I am performing the move, and this occurs even on the most sparce dance floor - obviously I do not to 'dangle' my partner on a crowded floor, but it is amazing how many people i have seen try to do this!


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It's a long time since I was a beginner so this is something that may be mentioned at beginners workshops, but I rarely hear teachers mentioning it at beginners classes.

They probably think it's common sense. Sadly we are not all blessed with enough of that !!!!

As a Taxi dancer I suppose I should mention it to some of the beginners, but there are not many beginners moves that need this sort of advice, so really it is during the intermediate classes where the teachers should say something to the whole populous.

:cheers:

spindr
16th-April-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by thewacko
Unfortunately there are some of these at al venues, although there is one move - the basket spin out thingummy watsit - where i have perfected the art of being able to swing the lady out to hit the bloke near me who doesn't care what he is doing to whom:devil:

Hmmm, don't lead it then? :)

SpinDr.

Minnie M
16th-April-2004, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Sheepman
That man reminds me of someone, now who could that be . . .
Oh yes, how could I forget, he hit on me last time I was in Kemptown :wink:

Greg

:rofl: :rofl: otherwise known as Camptown to us locals :rofl: :rofl:

spindr
17th-April-2004, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by Minnie M
:rofl: :rofl: otherwise known as Camptown to us locals :rofl: :rofl:

Ah, you're one of the "Camptown ladies"?
Sing this song, doo dah, doo dah :)

Minnie M
17th-April-2004, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by spindr
Ah, you're one of the "Camptown ladies"?
Sing this song, doo dah, doo dah :)

:rofl: :rofl: 'Camptown Ladies' I wonder if that is their signature tune :rofl:

I would rather be known as a 'Brighton Belle' (without a song to go with it)

PS: and I am not referring to the train :wink:

Sheepman
19th-April-2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Minnie M
and I am not referring to the train Why not? It was an icon, stylish, went to all the right places, and was fast :wink:

Greg

Barry Shnikov
26th-April-2004, 08:52 PM
Spooky thing happened to me at Hammersmith a year or so ago..

There's a guy who I've noticed has a tendency to get carried away with his dancing at the expense of other people immediately around him. I know that whenever he's dancing near me I'm going to have problems protecting my partner and indeed the little bit of floorspace we're dancing on. He's not a small guy either.

So in the space of a couple of lines of lyrics this guy managed to step on my foot and then rake his shoe down the back of my achilles tendon. I carefully (after taking a deep breath and biting back the expletives) led a move or three that enabled me to thread through the crowd so that my partner and I were dancing at the opposite side of the hall, well away from the miscreant.

Imagine my horror when the song finished and I turned to leave the floor and found him dancing right behind and next to me...

Paranoid? You betcha....:what:

Graham W
29th-April-2004, 03:09 PM
...was watching a couple of good dancers at Dipsters on Tues & was surprised to c them doing pretty av. moves (maybe they saw me watching..) - wondered if this was due to lack of floorspace;even thu it wasnt packed its still seems that floorroom is an issue..

why doesnt Nigel teach more of this & make a public point of it - cos he is v good at it?

I think I have a sort of 6th sense to other dancers around me but there is always some selfish twerp who has to finish his mega travelling move or people who suddenly become like turkeys dazzled by lights when walking across dancefloor...

sorry I just like my space...

G

Katie
29th-April-2004, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Graham W

...was watching a couple of good dancers at Dipsters on Tues & was surprised to c them doing pretty av. moves (maybe they saw me watching..) - wondered if this was due to lack of floorspace;even thu it wasnt packed its still seems that floorroom is an issue..


I don't like the way you have phrased this: good dancers suprisingly doing average moves.... IMO complicated moves does not make a dance better. When a man has a gentle/good lead and is smiling at me, then i don't care about the moves (unless it is the arm jive :wink: ). Musicality is also a bonus!

I didn't think Hipsters was packed on tuesday, it is much better now they have moved the tables.


Originally posted by Graham W

why doesnt Nigel teach more of this & make a public point of it - cos he is v good at it?

G

I think Nigel has taught this (correct me if i am wrong). He has encouraged people to dance in a slot as you take up less room. Every jive lesson is taught in a slot in order to maintain the rows and if dancers choose not to use this in freestyle, then there will be less floor space.

Kate

Minnie M
29th-April-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Katie
I don't like the way you have phrased this: good dancers suprisingly doing average moves.... IMO complicated moves does not make a dance better..........

:clap: :yeah: aren't you guys there to make us girlies look good :wink:

I agree with Kate, a great lead from a smiling considerate dancer is worth far far more than a lead who is trying to impress the follower (or who may be watching :wink: ) with clever moves