EVE Online : The Empirian Age

[Beowulf]

Self moderated out of the Wow thread ;)


:confused: interesting as in I decide to learn Battleship lvl 5 today and in 3 months time I get a message saying: "Congratulations, you have finally learned how to Battleship level 5?

I mean "interesting" as in both cool and annoyingly cr*p at the same time (sometimes) some skills cost millions to buy.. that's just for the skillbook (assuming you can find one.. EVE markets are different from WOW) you spend your hard earned to buy the skill then you start to learn it and despite spending all that money to get it you still have to spend 3 months to learn it.

There's no level per se in EVE. you just need certain skills to use certain items. And there's a hierarchy too. You can't learn Battleship lvl 1 until you have (I forget exactly.. it's been a while but) Cruiser lvl 3 you can't learn cruiser lvl 1 until you have (again a wild arsed guess) frigate lvl 3. you might jhave battleship lvl 2 .. enough for a Domi(nix) but not enough for a Mega(thron) but you suddenly find you can't fit that drone bay..You need engineering 5 and drone operation 4.. those guns need energy weapons 3 and something else 2 .. you get them in and you find you deplete your ships energy and cpu requirements after 5 shots.. aha you need to level up your energy management skills then :)

You see why I mean it's complex and frustrating at times but it also allows you to build a very personal character. You might not want any skills for mining or trading etc so you could concentrate your time on learning skills for PVP for example. You might want to create a character thats jack of all trades but master of one (The talents in WOW come close to this) or like me.. you might start off learning skills that do nothing but increase your stats.. Int, perception, etc .. What they do is affect how quickly you learn skills later. sure for the first month I'll be left behind and stuck with lousy gear but my ability to shave months.. nay.. years off my total career training time will pay back dividends in bucket loads.

My last character (sadly dead now) did that before.. I joined with a friend from my work who went straight into learning weapon and ship skills. A month later I was still in my frigate and he had a middle tier cruiser.. two months later he's in a top tier cruiser and some nice guns/drone.. I'm in my mid tier battleship and stretching the gap between us! A skill that would take him 5 days to learn I could learn in 3 ..

I like the skills system in EVE.. but it's a totally different game. Comparing one to the other is like comparing Apples to Oranges.

[Dreadful Scathe]

do you still get free trials of eve ?

[straycat]

do you still get free trials of eve ?

Ask WALL-E?

[Beowulf]

do you still get free trials of eve ?

I believe you do.. Check out the eve-online website.

[azande]

mmm, still don't understand why would you think is cool to pay for a skill now and have it in one-two or three months... do you get increments in ability while you learn it or is it just a delayed thing?

[Beowulf]

mmm, still don't understand why would you think is cool to pay for a skill now and have it in one-two or three months... do you get increments in ability while you learn it or is it just a delayed thing?

Delayed thing.. and it's not "cool" it's a pain sometimes (having to wait for 3 months for a skill up for example) but what IS cool is being able to spend your time in whatever way you like. Me I'm a book worm.. barely leaving the space station except for the occasional mission (The EVE answer to Quests) and perhaps mining my way though a few asteroid fields in the process (I'll need that lovely ore later)

it does stop new players with loads of money jumping into the game and getting the biggest and best ships available to them.. you are forced into learning to play with less and building up. I guess the lvl thing in WOW is the same.. but in WOW if you spent 69 levels getting to BM spec you can spend 10g or so and respec in MM or SURV.. to go from top levels in say Battleship flying to say Mining speciallist or Research and Development .. well you're looking at a 6 month to 1 year delay there while you retrain.. of course, you don't lose your original skills.. so 1 year later you're a mining AND a battleship guru..

I always specialised in Mining and production with a smattering of R&D ..used to make a killing making and selling battleships ! :)

[Filthy Monkey]

Well, personally, I think that...

Oh bugger!! I can't contribute to this. I bought my anorak today, but I don't get it for another three months :angry:

:na::na::na::na:

[Beowulf]

Well, personally, I think that...

Oh bugger!! I can't contribute to this. I bought my anorak today, but I don't get it for another three months :angry:

:na::na::na:

:na: :wink:

if you played it you'd understand..

anyway here's a guide to EVE skills Guide:Skills and Attributes - EVEWiki (http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Guide:Skills_and_Attributes)

basically it's to stop people coming in and gearing up to the max within 5 mins.. it's no different to "Oh I went to a gold seller and got enough gold to buy a flying mount.. but I can't buy one for another 69 levels!"

[Beowulf]

Have just worked out my training schedule (of course this doesn't include downtime and time when I'm at work.. so expect to increase this timeframe by a factor of about 5 to 7)

Skill plan for Beo Geekly

1. Instant Recall I (14 minutes, 8 seconds)
2. Analytical Mind I (13 minutes, 21 seconds)
3. Instant Recall II (1 hour, 33 seconds)
4. Analytical Mind II (57 minutes, 26 seconds)
5. Learning III (5 hours, 16 minutes, 35 seconds)
6. Spatial Awareness III (5 hours, 10 minutes, 36 seconds)
7. Spatial Awareness IV (1 day, 5 hours, 17 minutes, 18 seconds)
8. Focus I (50 minutes, 32 seconds)
9. Clarity I (50 minutes, 32 seconds)
10. Focus II (3 hours, 39 minutes, 41 seconds)
11. Clarity II (3 hours, 32 minutes, 35 seconds)
12. Gallente Cruiser I (1 hour, 11 minutes, 28 seconds)
13. Gallente Cruiser II (5 hours, 32 minutes, 52 seconds)
14. Gallente Cruiser III (1 day, 7 hours, 22 minutes, 40 seconds)
15. Spaceship Command IV (23 hours, 22 minutes, 3 seconds)
16. Gallente Cruiser IV (7 days, 9 hours, 30 minutes, 22 seconds)
17. Gallente Battleship I (1 hour, 54 minutes, 21 seconds)

17 skills; Total time: 12 days, 3 hours, 57 minutes, 10 seconds; Completion: 07/08/2008 16:21:58; Cost: 14,600,000 ISK
N.B. Skill costs are based on CCP's database and are indicative only

As you can see it's going to take me a while to get back into my first battleship.. mind you it'll probably take me 3 times that length of time to afford to pay for it anyway :)

but if I didn't have to sleep, eat or go to work I could have it in just under two weeks ;)

[Beowulf]

Hurumph !!

As I can no longer play neither EVE nor WOW due to my PC dying on me I'm having to put my monthly susbscription for both these MMORPGS on hold. No point paying for something I can't use.

Mind you .. I'm sure there's games out there somewhere that will run on my uber powerful laptop.. I mean it's got 256 mb of ram !! wow not to mention the blistering 600MHz processing power and the 20GB hard drive.. :rolleyes:

[Vegetable]

i dislike eve :(

[TheTramp]

Mind you .. I'm sure there's games out there somewhere that will run on my uber powerful laptop.. I mean it's got 256 mb of ram !! wow not to mention the blistering 600MHz processing power and the 20GB hard drive.. :rolleyes:

Will it do solitaire??

What's the problem with the PC then? :sick:

[Beowulf]

Will it do solitaire??

yup.. and Minesweeper :clap: !


What's the problem with the PC then? :sick:

it's Dee - Eee -- Dee .. DEAD ;)

Not sure. Powers up, drives spin.. no post test beep. Zilch, nada , zip. Checked the Cables, power supply, connections, GPU (switched to on board Graphics) , sound (Switched to onboard sound) , memory , peripherals, etc

It won't do anything for 10-15-20 restarts.. then it'll decide to start up. It'll work "ok" for a while. Occasionally the screen goes black, Sound stops, harddrive and CD/DVD roms stop spinning.. just for a second then it's fine again. It might flicker like that every 5 to 10 seconds for hours. Then it'll flicker and just.. go "off" .. not off completely. Lights are on but no-one's home.

Tested the power supply (my first suspect) but it tests out properly and has a steady output voltage within acceptable tolerances. Tested load over the devices one at a time. No idea.

Laptop allows me to check emails though.. just

I would normally buy a new one or at least build a new one.. but my spare cash is earmarked for the upcoming wedding at the mo.. no biggie. I don't need to play WoW or EVE.

[TheTramp]

I would normally buy a new one or at least build a new one.. but my spare cash is earmarked for the upcoming wedding at the mo.. no biggie. I don't need to play WoW or EVE.

Will the relationship survive you having all this spare time in the evening?? :stirring: :whistle: :wink:

[Beowulf]

Will the relationship survive you having all this spare time in the evening?? :stirring: :whistle: :wink:

hey .. if anything it's getting better.. if you know what I mean.. nudge nudge wink wink ;) :lol:

[Sparkles]

Skill plan for Beo Geekly
[I]
1. Instant Recall I (14 minutes, 8 seconds)

3. Instant Recall II (1 hour, 33 seconds)

I think it's 'interesting' that it takes you 1hr 47mins and 8secs to learn instant recall :doh:

[Beowulf]

I think it's 'interesting' that it takes you 1hr 47mins and 8secs to learn instant recall :doh:

:p "instant recall" is a skill that gives you +1 to your memory stat :) it gets progressively harder as you go up levels.

[Dreadful Scathe]

:p "instant recall" is a skill that gives you +1 to your memory stat :) it gets progressively harder as you go up levels.

You'd think you'd get better at it :)

as far your pc - assuming you have reset the cmos and tried that, you have a dodgy motherboard.

I think i have a sodimm for a laptop if you want it , but ill check.

[Beowulf]

I think i have a sodimm for a laptop if you want it , but ill check.

thanks for the offer .. but it does what it needs to at the moment. A little more memory won't make that much of a difference really. perhaps make it a little faster but it'll still be incapable of running my processor/graphics intensive apps.

appreciate the offer though

when you come back to WoW do you fancy playing a nearly new (slightly frayed at the edges) lvl 69.9* hunter :wink:

(* I really should quantify that claim sometime.. I may be lvl 69.7 or lvl 69.8.. I may even be lvl 69.96! I wonder what %age of my require XP I am really away from 70 ;) )

[Dreadful Scathe]

when you come back to WoW do you fancy playing a nearly new (slightly frayed at the edges) lvl 69.9* hunter :wink:

i could do - you still got time left in your account then ?

[Beowulf]

i could do - you still got time left in your account then ?

honestly? I have NO-IDEA if I do !! :blush: Will have to check. Have given a couple of friends (some forum, some otherwise) access to my account. Don't know if anyone's actually using yet (which is why I keep checking the armory to see if I've got anything new or levelled up)

I might come back to wow somepoint. Eve isn't as much fun as I remember. too many people have left to play wow or have got to such a high level there's no enjoyment in it for them any more. RONA corp.. was one of the biggest multi facetted corps when I last played. Hungreds of memebrs in different sub corps, training , Production and PVP .. now the total number of members is about 90 .. of which you're lucky if there's 4 or 5 on a night.. and they're usually in 0.0 space where the pirates reign. I have not ventured below 0.6 yet my cruiser would be pirate fodder any lower than that !

I miss the camaraderie from WoW.. even though at the end that was rare as everyone was too busy (including me) to find time to meet up in game. perhaps I should just bite the bullet, get to lvl 70 and start raiding.

Have to get a new Mobo for my PC first (and while I'm at it.. some memory, a new quad core CPU, a couple of SLI gpu's ,a couple of Tb's of HDD , neural uplink cable, AI implant, .. wait.. I'll be lucky to get an old 286 !! )

I may see you soon. If you want to log in sometime DS let me know.. I'll check my account and make sure it's not in use.

EDIT


The god of coincidence and good timing stikes again. Apparently I was "seen" last night ;) A guy from work here.. (Nice guy.. bit of a nutter).. was online last night. He bumped into "someone who's name began with S" who was very helpful to him he said. (Sparkles??) he's apparently started up a new warrior character on my account as my "bird scared him" lol. he's only on to get a feel of the game and see if he wants to buy an account of his own.

so obviously this means I still have game time on my account DS.. am sure my friend won't mind sharing it if you like :) (personally I don't think he'll stick at it long anyway)

[Dreadful Scathe]

Have to get a new Mobo for my PC first (and while I'm at it.. some memory, a new quad core CPU, a couple of SLI gpu's ,a couple of Tb's of HDD , neural uplink cable, AI implant, .. wait.. I'll be lucky to get an old 286 !! )




I've got 2 ati crossfire cards im selling - got a new 2 gpu board. Surely you can salvage bits of your old pc though ? Whats its spec ?