Dance test

[Dreadful Scathe]

Was wondering if there are any nice moves anyone can think of that you can apply my newtm"slapable" scale to ?

Level / Response
-----------------------------
1. Ohh its lovely!

through to

5. Oh Im borderline offended but Im keeping quiet

through to

10. SLAP!

I reckon a normal seducer would be a 1 and seducer hug a 2...

I expect a few Lounge Lizard posts:)






n.b. This is a purely scientific study and any attempt to use the scale to test the morals of your dance partner will be severely frowned upon. We dont want to hear "she does up to a 7 on the Scathe scale" or even worse "she goes all the way"...its not big and it wouldnt be clever :D

[Aleks]

Basket walk around with hands WAY higher than my hips/waist nearly earned someone a slap from me not long ago:mad: - a 9?

[Doc Iain]

2 handed first move into "tango" stylee lean (Lady's right leg entwinde around the mans right, then twist and you can drop the ladies right hand here, leaving her suspended by the leg hold and the mans arm around her waist.....depending on the music anything from a 5 (ie. quick music, in and out) to a 9/10 (slow blues with multiple applications)

[Dreadful Scathe]

Hmm Ive heard of guys who are seemingly oblivious to the location of their hands sometimes.

I suppose their must be a caveat; if the guy looks completely niave and/or innocent (or is a priest*) you could take it down -2 on the scale for that particular move. :) Which of course negates the point of having the scale, if you have to pretend to be innocent whilst executing it, and are rubbish at it. So..er..just forget i said anything.

Anyway, what Aleks mentioned isnt 'really' a move as such - just a variation. Or is it! Who knows..(probably Boomer :) )













*actually with the press Priests have been getting lately, maybe not.

[Chris]

Of course I'm often incapable of appearing to not take things too seriously, but there's also always those slappable sounding moves, like a "Grind" or a "Sexy Swayback" that are more likely to cause offence by suggesting/saying them than doing them :yum:

Grind: man directly behind woman, hands on her hips, leads her into a circular motion, hips moving to the right, down, to the left and back up - there's no contact other than hands but it looks and sounds like there is!
Sexy Swayback: a left hip swayback (parisienne lambada) that is a sudden flick finish from a lady's walkaround - looks incredibly hot but 'sexy' means the effect, not the feel of it. Of course, you shouldn't do swaybacks without asking the lady first of course, and if she's not familair with them and you do one 'down-under' style you might get a slap...)

p.s. Yes, they are actual moves

[Boomer]

Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe
[B]
Anyway, what Aleks mentioned isnt 'really' a move as such - just a variation. Or is it! Who knows..(probably Boomer :) )


Hey, how did my name come into a discussion about slappable moves?:what: This is the ape that blushes doing the shoulderslide:blush: as for a walking basket with octopus hands, I wouldn't know one if I did it...which I dont...coz I'm shy.

Coming back to thread, did a..oh, I do know the basket:blush: did it last night. Anyway, did a basket, and when lady was all wrapped up in my arms, I found that my right hand wasn't exactly in the hip:blush: Not tooo far out of place:what: bur certainly not in place (this is starting to sound worse:sad: ). Of course I apologised, she giggled, but this isn't slappable..is it:what: Mistakes do happen don't they?

[Chris]

Originally posted by Boomer
oh, . . . the basket:blush:

I wouldn't worry about the hand to much - ladies usually seem to realise when it is genuinely unintentional. especially when followed with the nice apology you obviously made.

the scary thing I always find about baskets is to not,

no never,

even if drawn by the might of ten thousand magnets,

no never ever,

don't,

even though it's so easy to do it unintentionally

. . .

. . .

. . .

look down her cleavage! :tears: :blush:

Of course, being determined not to, and ladies looking to make sure the guy doesn't(!) has the added unintended side benefit of producing very nice eye contact (which I wish they would mention more often in showing the move - it makes it look so much nicer!)

[Doc Iain]

Originally posted by Chris



look down her cleavage!


:rofl: :rofl:
never do that....mind you a basket done like that may earn a straight 10!

[Chris]

Originally posted by Doc Iain
:rofl: :rofl:
....mind you a basket done like that

Well, you know how they always stress "safety first" . . . I guess that's why it's a move where you hold on to both her hands . . . !
:what: :devil:

[Doc Iain]

very true, hold on tight....reminds me of a joke....lol not one to tell in here or in company...lol

[Doc Iain]

well when I say no company, I mean no polite company. Not a lot ofpoint telling a joke in no company! :rofl:

[Boomer]

Originally posted by Doc Iain
mind you a basket done like that may earn a straight 10!

fnarfnar:D

Eyes aren't my problem, but these bloody thumbs:sorry why do they catch every possible blush-making piece of flesh?

[Doc Iain]

You'll get used to it!....those crop top type things used to cause me no end of problems when a beginner. Do you know how hard it is to dance with someone without touching exposed flesh in one of those! Still feels wierd today!

Maybe its us soft southerners!.... or just the young impressionable ones amoungst us :yum:

[Boomer]

Originally posted by Doc Iain
those crop top type things used to cause me no end of problems when a beginner. Do you know how hard it is to dance with someone without touching exposed flesh in one of those! Still feels wierd today!

:what: Not quite sure if I trust my thumbs enough to dance with a woman wearing any less than full-body armour, balaclava and gauntlets. Half the time after a dance I feel the need to do the decent thing and ask for their hands in marriage:sorry

[Doc Iain]

wait until someone asks u to dance to a blues number!....really slow! makes it all worse, or better depending one ones point of view

[foxylady]

Originally posted by Doc Iain
wait until someone asks u to dance to a blues number!....really slow! makes it all worse, or better depending one ones point of view

anal replies or what !!!!!

If a woman is showing cleavage its for looking at - whats she showing it off for otherwise...

If flesh is touched, or even groped because of 'the dance' thats also fine... Its only when the very few creepy old blokes start feeling one up in the guise of dance (and boy can you tell the difference) is there any sort of a problem..... and a swift elbow/knee to a relevant part soon sorts that out...

guys, dont worry so much - enjoy the dance.. Its why we are all there...

[Boomer]

I will chose ‘..or what’. While the past few replies do carry a hint of ‘schoolboy snickering’, I’m not so sure how accurate ‘anal’ is as a description. What is expressed in the previous replies (ignoring the ‘humour’) is a genuine concern regarding how a lead’s mistakes are received. In fact, this is the whole point of the thread. Your comment about knowing the difference is reassuring - provided that this is the case, in general, for women. However, the fact that a discussion is being conducted in a way that is not satisfactory to you is less important that the fact that the discussion is being held at all. All the more so when the participants are actually trying to obtain a positive outcome “enjoy the dance.. Its why we are all there” – absolutely:cheers: , I will enjoy the dance more (if that’s possible) knowing, from a woman’s PoV, that mistakes can be laughed off – god alone knows I need help laughing when I make any kind of fluff:blush: .

Your initial response ‘Anal or what !!!’ is not the most inviting of openings. It presents a rather aggressive setting that could deter the more genteel of men from involving themselves in this thread. Its taken me ½ a bottle of Wisniowka to write this reply:what: . Your comment ‘If a woman is showing cleavage its for looking at - whats she showing it off for otherwise’ leads me to ask, how would you feel if EVERY man who dance with you made no eye-contact because he was always leading you ‘into a basket’? Yes, we do spruce ourselves up to be noticed, but, and I could be wrong here, we spruce up to be noticed and maybe meet someone, or because or partner (meaning lover) likes a certain set of clothes on us. The few times I have managed to spruce up and look halfway decent (it takes some effort to get halfway, trust me:sad: ), I became tired of being seen as a ‘nice looking piece of meat’ – all of my girl friends express that same attitude. Does the above statement mean that any man on the dance floor has carte-blance (pardon the French) to grab an eye-full?

Foxylady, I’m sorry, but if guys stopped worrying so much then the women’s political movements of the 60’s onwards would have driven the genders further apart than they were. I will keep worrying, and keep talking (even if I have to do it schoolboy style...for a while), and keep trying to relax more on the dance floor...I do acknowledge that point:nice: .

P.S I still expect a dance the next time you see me:D . I promise though, that after the MacGregor’s tongue-lashing:tears: ‘I’ will ask for the dance...but you have to introduce yourself, I have no idea what you look like.
:confused:

[Boomer]

Originally posted by Boomer
P.S I still expect a dance the next time you see me:D .

Assuming of course that you would like to:innocent: , seeing as I don’t dance enough. :devil:

[michael]

Well Foxy Lady you have given us guys all the excuses we need now: QUOTE: If a woman is showing cleavage its for looking at - whats she showing it off for otherwise...

If flesh is touched, or even groped because of 'the dance' thats also fine...

Heres me thinking females bought clothes to look and feel nice in them and not to have every bloke staring at certain parts of her outfit or perhaps the parts not covered?

Far far better to look at the females eyes its much more sensual as for your hands well definately no comment.......................

Females are far more perceptive than guys could ever imagine. The vast majority of females 90% + KNOW when the guy is being creepy or rude. Does that mean i can continue to try and dance my wee way then....:innocent:

DD......... If and when i get through most of those seducers on Peters DVD set with added modifications on a rising DD scale of approaching 1 (well ok add the nothing to it) YOU will be responsible..... YOU have given us newcomers the Dance Test and we have to abide by and guided by our greater superiors ..........:wink:

Note: Please give slap to DD we are just learnng:confused:

[Graham]

Originally posted by Doc Iain
those crop top type things used to cause me no end of problems when a beginner. Do you know how hard it is to dance with someone without touching exposed flesh in one of those! ???? I'm baffled - why would you want to avoid it? Similar to what foxylady said about cleavage, if a woman (with the possible exception of someone who is completely new) goes dancing with her back or midriff exposed she is expecting the flesh to be touched.

I agree wholeheartedly with foxylady - you guys are worrying WAY too much!

And Boomer - if your thumbs are catching on flesh I'd be much more concerned about the pain you're causing than the blushes!! What on earth are you doing??

[CJ]

Originally posted by Chris
I wouldn't worry about the hand to much - ladies usually seem to realise when it is genuinely unintentional. especially when followed with the nice apology you obviously made.

the scary thing I always find about baskets is to not,

no never,

even if drawn by the might of ten thousand magnets,

no never ever,

don't,

even though it's so easy to do it unintentionally

. . .

. . .

. . .

look down her cleavage! :tears: :blush:

Of course, being determined not to, and ladies looking to make sure the guy doesn't(!) has the added unintended side benefit of producing very nice eye contact (which I wish they would mention more often in showing the move - it makes it look so much nicer!)

This comes from the guy who ACTUALLY ADVISED ME that if I pull my hands tighter during a basket, I'd get to see a tighter cleavage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This wasa while back but, believe me, I've never forgotten it. And not for the reasons you'd think!!

[Dance Demon]

Originally posted by michael
:

DD......... If and when i get through most of those seducers on Peters DVD set with added modifications on a rising DD scale of approaching 1 (well ok add the nothing to it) YOU will be responsible..... YOU have given us newcomers the Dance Test and we have to abide by and guided by our greater superiors ..........:wink:

Note: Please give slap to DD we are just learnng:confused:

:confused: :confused: ...........you've lost me Michael.......I haven't even subscribed to this thread........and I'm sure if I was prone to doing "slapable" moves with the ladies,Mrs Demon would be the first one to do the slapping:wink:

[Chris]

Originally posted by Ceroc Jock
This comes from the guy who ACTUALLY ADVISED ME that if I pull my hands tighter during a basket, I'd get to see a tighter cleavage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This wasa while back but, believe me, I've never forgotten it. And not for the reasons you'd think!!

Ouch CJ! Either twas when I was a beginner or twas tongue in cheek methinks

Chris
(posting from Rio where they almost get offended if you don´t check out their cleavage(s):waycool: ) - no jive here as far as I can tell but plenty of salsa (and of course samba - the local voodoo guy has just explained why it´s often danced semi-naked - all very technical of course:devil: )

[Lounge Lizard]

Sorry I am late on joining this one guys, so to catch up

Scale of 1 to 10 - I have gone well past 10 and survived!!

Simple test - as taught in many workshops, I don't even think about going past three without doing this
Wrap yourself into a basket in front of the lady, bring her in close, relax hold.
If she springs back 2 is the max
If she holds on to you 5 is ok
If she strokes/plays etc 7
if she full on body rolls etc. then enjoy :wink: - if it gets to much step forward and end with a catapult finish.

I think the secret is reaching 8 and above without the lady realising you are in the slapping zone.

Perhap the most common move for slapable offences is 'slow low & sleazy' bring lady in close (face to face), lean her back (gently) take the right hand from shoulder and drag fingers slowly down the centre of the ladies body changing to one finger at cleavage, the hand continue down moving to the (outer) thigh then slowly bring her upright - Ladies at this point the slap can be perfectly timed:wink:
Some dancers place their head on the ladies body as she leans back.

The best bits sometimes come from what we say (and do) whilst executing the move - I'll save that one for later.

Cleavage - surley this is to be admired and occasionaly commented on :devil: but not gazed into throughout the dance:what:

Exposed flesh - never found a material that felt better so yes please ladies:drool:

Must be carefull or will get moved upstairs:innocent:
Peter

[Lounge Lizard]

Originally posted by Chris
Ouch CJ! twas tongue in cheek :devil: )

I think that would rate a 10 chris:rofl:

[Gadget]

Originally posted by Graham
???? I'm baffled - why would you want to avoid it? {flesh to flesh contact}
The only reason that I tend to avoid it is because my hands stick to it and can't be 'dragged' accross niceley... Unless both are slick with sweat... but that's even closer to being moved upstairs.

Tracing bare skin (or more sensual areas of the lady's anatomy) with the backs of the fingers {/fingernails} is a good trick to push the scale higher, without too much apperance of groaping or slease and I would say conveys more "electricity" than fingertips.

[Jayne]

Originally posted by Boomer
Your comment ‘If a woman is showing cleavage its for looking at - whats she showing it off for otherwise’ leads me to ask, how would you feel if EVERY man who dance with you made no eye-contact because he was always leading you ‘into a basket’?
There's a difference between looking and staring at it for an entire four minute record!! I have one particular "cleavage top" and yes it's worn so that things get noticed (they'll only droop one day so I might as well show them off now!! :rofl: ) and I have no problem with them being noticed. But there was one guy at the Blackpool comp this year who stared at them throughout the dance, which was horrible and, needless to say, I didn't ask him to dance again!


Originally posted by LL
Simple test - as taught in many workshops, I don't even think about going past three without doing this
Wrap yourself into a basket in front of the lady, bring her in close, relax hold.
If she springs back 2 is the max
If she holds on to you 5 is ok
If she strokes/plays etc 7
if she full on body rolls etc. then enjoy - if it gets to much step forward and end with a catapult finish. Fair enough - sounds like a very sensible way to test the water!

J :nice:

[Bill]

Originally posted by foxylady
anal replies or what !!!!!

Its only when the very few creepy old blokes start feeling one up in the guise of dance (and boy can you tell the difference) is there any sort of a problem..... and a swift elbow/knee to a relevant part soon sorts that out...old........??:eek: ......are you suggesting that it's only the more mature dancer who is likely to be inappropriate??? or perhaps it's ok if he's younger and good looking ?

As one of the more 'mature' dancers up here I'd hate to be thought of as creepy :sick:

as for slappable moves............. not sure I've found any yet :innocent: :D

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally posted by Bill
as for slappable moves............. not sure I've found any yet :innocent: :D

its maybe that you just do them so well ;) :D

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Slappable moves:

Men who slide their hand down to your ass from your waist when doing a push spin.

Doing a comb move and dragging you in close to them so you are near their crotch.

and the other one looking at your boobs when dancing..!!

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx
Men who slide their hand down to your ass from your waist when doing a push spin.

Doing a comb move and dragging you in close to them so you are near their crotch.

and the other one looking at your boobs when dancing..!!

Ive never been slapped for doing those moves ! :D
but i only look at boobs when the t-shirt has an interesting slogan on it or its chicklet or theres a spider tatoo ......... damn Im a perv :)

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe
Ive never been slapped for doing those moves ! :D
but i only look at boobs when the t-shirt has an interesting slogan on it or its chicklet or theres a spider tatoo ......... damn Im a perv :)


Hmmmm better stop wearing all my t-shirts then should I..??

Need to think up some great slogans for my t-shirts.
Fav one is the Miss Sexy one..!!!

Spider Tattoo..???
I have a Tazmanian Devil one..... the other is tweety pie but that does not go on show unless on holiday,,!!!

[Graham]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx
Hmmmm better stop wearing all my t-shirts then should I..?? Aren't we back to the avatar party theme? :yum:

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Originally posted by Graham
Aren't we back to the avatar party theme? :yum:

Nope Graham, I usually wear T-shirts to ceroc with interesting slogans on them..!!!
Think that's what he was on about...!!!

[Graham]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx
Nope Graham, I usually wear T-shirts to ceroc with interesting slogans on them..!!!
Think that's what he was on about...!!! I know what he was on about - it was you who mentioned doing without your t-shirt!

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Originally posted by Graham
I know what he was on about - it was you who mentioned doing without your t-shirt!

I never meant going naked though?? just meant that i should stop wearing the slogan t-shirts so scathe wont look at my tits.

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx
just meant that i should stop wearing the slogan t-shirts so scathe wont look at my tits.

why did you wear them in the first place then ? :)

I also have no idea who you are so am unaware if i have read any of your slogans before :)

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe
why did you wear them in the first place then ? :)

I also have no idea who you are so am unaware if i have read any of your slogans before :)


maybe cos i like them and i like being different... :yum:

[Chicklet]

Originally posted by foxylady
If a woman is showing cleavage its for looking at - whats she showing it off for otherwise...

guys, dont worry so much - enjoy the dance.. Its why we are all there...

Possibly going to take this into a niche section (which is quite different to "off topic" :wink: ) but this is a subject close to my heart (LOL) and one which has come up with quite a few of the girls up here in recent weeks.

A lot of us will admit to wearing things to dance party nights that we wouldn't dream of wearing out in public in the real world.

Lots of little girls like to dress up.
Lots of these little girls grow up into women who still like to dress up.
So a lot of us love to shop for backless, sideless, short, tight, loud, sequined, boned, low cut, flashing :eek: *waves to Divi*, diamante, split clothes to wear to dress up of an evening.

Now guys, don't get us wrong, we know fine well we're 10+ years older and 2+ stone heavier than Brittany and we're not trying to pretend otherwise but a lot of us are intelligent, dare I say sensible women NOT negatively paranoid about our bodies who are happy and keen to show off the bits still worthy of showing off before they fall off, or at least start to droop!

Unfortunately, most women who would like to dress up haven't found dance nights yet and don't have a safe environment in which to indulge their dressing up desires. By safe I mean safe in two ways - on the whole, as has been the basic sentiment on this thread, we feel comfortable with the guys we meet on the dance floor and as someone said we can tell the difference between DS being temporarily lost for words :wink:and a dirty old man having a leer.

Another element of the safety thing is believe it or not, the attitude of the rest of the women. Maybe I've been very lucky but my experiences have always been very positive, we actually compliment each other, hell Alexs gets so interested in other girls outfits she can be up *checking the fabric* at the front, with both hands!! I love looking at what the other girls are wearing and swapping stories about a top having been the last one and down to £3.99 but I had to change the buttons etc. - so much nicer than your snooty pub environment where the beautiful people are so obviously looking down their noses at anyone over a size 8 of dressed in anything less than D&G.

Point?? Guys, enjoy it while you can, girls, go for the push up thing with the sequins every time!!

C:D


PS - all of the above notwithstanding the most attractive thing a woman or a man can wear, on or around a dance floor is a smile.

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally posted by Chicklet
the most attractive thing a woman or a man can wear, on or around a dance floor is a smile.

indeed - nice boobs are just an extra bonus :D

doubt if that applies to men though :D


Originally posted by Chicklet
we can tell the difference
between DS being temporarily lost for words and a dirty old man having a leer.

give me 20 years, the distinction will become blurred :D

[Graham]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx
maybe cos i like them and i like being different... :yum: Different from all the other girls who wear slogans on their t-shirts? :confused:

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Chicklet
Another element of the safety thing is believe it or not, the attitude of the rest of the women. Maybe I've been very lucky but my experiences have always been very positive, we actually compliment each other, hell Alexs gets so interested in other girls outfits she can be up *checking the fabric* at the front, with both hands!!

And very nice fabric they are too!

[Bill]

Originally posted by Chicklet
Unfortunately, most women who would like to dress up haven't found dance nights yet and don't have a safe environment in which to indulge their dressing up desires.

Another element of the safety thing is believe it or not, the attitude of the rest of the women.

Point?? Guys, enjoy it while you can, girls, go for the push up thing with the sequins every time!!




Agree totally..........women can wear as little as they want on the dance floor :D :innocent:

But I know a number of women - including Fran and laura - who will wear tops that they just wouldn't dream of wearing anywhere else because Ceroc is a 'safe' environment and they know what they wear won't be misconstrued.

Although the men will notice, like life generally it's the other women that the wearer might be more conscious of. Having dicussed this with several women it would appear that many women dress as much, if not more with other women in mind than for a man. Partly, this is because on the whole a woman will notice much more than a man ( sure we touched on this on another thread ages ago!).

As several women have already said, if a female is wearing a short skirt or a revealing top she expects to have her cleavage and/or legs noticed. If she doesn't she'll wear trousers and a top that covers everything.

Where does the line come from noticing to leering ? Given that eye contact is so important our eyes should meet most of the time anyway so not staring down the front of a woman top. But maybe I'll try this basket 'squeeze' and se what happens :D :wink: .............and I htink I'll spend much longer actually reading what's on womens' tops. :rolleyes:

[foxylady]

Originally posted by Bill
. But maybe I'll try this basket 'squeeze' and se what happens :D :wink: .............and I htink I'll spend much longer actually reading what's on womens' tops. :rolleyes:


The thing is guys the larger one's assets are, the more of a 'squeeze' the basket is anyway... :wink:

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally posted by Bill

But I know a number of women - including Fran and laura - who will wear tops that they just wouldn't dream of wearing anywhere else .


long may it continue :D :yum: :yum:

[Chris]

Originally posted by Bill
Having dicussed this with several women it would appear that many women dress as much, if not more with other women in mind than for a man. Partly, this is because on the whole a woman will notice much more than a man ( sure we touched on this on another thread ages ago!).

Where does the line come from noticing to leering ? Given that eye contact is so important our eyes should meet most of the time anyway so not staring down the front of a woman top. But maybe I'll try this basket 'squeeze' and se what happens :D :wink: .............and I htink I'll spend much longer actually reading what's on womens' tops. :rolleyes:
I totally agree - and I think it´s nice they dress up, and a nice incentive to us guys to make the effort. I suppose the acceptability of the glance/leer is down to the woman at that moment, unless it´s a case of performance dancing. As guys we seem to get quite easily embarrassed at thought to be leering (at least I do) and that can sometimes cause amusement to the ladies which I guess is good
:innocent:

For my part, I like tops with writing on sometimes - it always gives one the excuse of reading what´s on it / admiring the wording if caught looking
:rofl:
My phrase book here in Rio does not have anything as advanced as would you like a dance ... the closest I could find was do you play the clarinet:what: which is hardly the same - I feel I may have my work cut out trying to stay out of trouble at salsa . . .:sorry :wink:

[Gadget]

Originally posted by Chris
I totally agree - and I think it´s nice they dress up, and a nice incentive to us guys to make the effort.
I think this has been brushed on in other posts, but what do the ladys like to see the men wearing? And what are no-no's? (white socks and black shoes are a given, as are sandles with socks)

[Lounge Lizard]

Originally posted by Gadget
I think this has been brushed on in other posts, but what do the ladys like to see the men wearing? And what are no-no's? (white socks and black shoes are a given, as are sandles with socks)
Top of the list must be deodorant/aftershave - it is bad enough standing at the bar next to some guys let alone dance with them:what: