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Dance Demon
27th-February-2007, 07:03 AM
Having recently changed my status from "Ceroc DJ", I am somewhat unhappy with "senior member".

Am also too pants to come up with my own tag, so the question is...

Any ideas?!?:flower:

Seems like someone's already done it for you CJ....you bad old commercial operator you....:rofl:

Sparkles
27th-February-2007, 11:18 AM
I thought you were only a commercial operator if you ran your own dancing venue...? :confused:

Franck
27th-February-2007, 11:56 AM
I thought you were only a commercial operator if you ran your own dancing venue...? :confused:No, the Commercial Operator tag applies to anyone who sells dance services. So if you get paid to teach, DJ etc... or run a venue then you are a Commercial Operator.
I was recently asked to update several forum members (CJ included) as people felt it would be easier and clearer to see where they were coming from in some discussions.
If we have forgotten anyone, just let one of the moderators know!

David Bailey
27th-February-2007, 11:58 AM
No, the Commercial Operator tag applies to anyone who sells dance services. So if you get paid to teach, DJ etc... or run a venue then you are a Commercial Operator.
Is it worth an additional layer of granularity (e.g. "Ceroc teacher", "Independent DJ", etc.)? "Commercial Operator" covers a lot of ground...

Lory
27th-February-2007, 11:59 AM
For example, I think the "Commercial operator" labels are good, because they provide some form of context -



It defintiely helps to know DS's is PapaSmurf, when putting 'his' posts into context :D

But seriously, for the people who don't know all the forumites and what involvement, if any, they have in MJ, then I do believe it helps to give some perspective on their POV's, knowing what angle they're coming from.

And, I'm not suggesting for one minute, anyone's tried to be underhanded before, by not openly declaring their 'interests' and setting out to promote a hidden agenda.:innocent:

But, on the other hand, I have slight reservations about the labelling too... I hate the thought of people 'only' being seen in their title role and not to be given a chance to express their 'true' feelings, without being prejudged. :(

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I agree with what Baruch said, I truly believe one can be a true supporter of Ceroc (or any other organisation) but still be critical of it and of course, the true supporters 'want' Ceroc to evolve and improve and the only way to achieve this, is for honest feedback to be listened to and embraced.:yeah:

Yes, of course its good to defend what you believe in but what one doesn't want, is to be so defensive, that people are scared to make suggestions and ask questions, for fear of being ridiculed, the only achievement there, is to alienate people and risk breeding a quiet undercurrent of discontentment. :sad:

The one thing that has become surprisingly but glaringly obvious to me, is that people in general, seem to be more suspicious in nature than I ever thought and the one thing they hate, is to feel they're being lied to or cheated and I'm afraid the only way to overcome peoples natural suspiciousness and get people on your side, is to be as open and honest about the company's aims and aspirations as one can be. :)

Lory
27th-February-2007, 12:08 PM
It defintiely helps to know DS's is PapaSmurf, when putting 'his' posts into context :D



I just had a little giggle when I re-noticed my 'Forum Bombshell - Friendly Moderator' title. I dunno what context I'm seen in! :rofl:

No answers required!

David Bailey
27th-February-2007, 12:08 PM
But seriously, for the people who don't know all the forumites and what involvement, if any, they have in MJ, then I do believe it helps to give some perspective on their POV's, knowing what angle they're coming from.
Sure - putting it in a positive light, it provided more credibility to posts. For example, if you know that someone's a professional DJ, their opinion on sound systems has more credibility - they may still be talking rubbish of course, but at least it's professional rubbish :)


On the other hand, I have slight reservations about the labelling too... I hate the thought of people 'only' being seen in their title role and not to be given a chance to express their 'true' feelings, without being prejudged. :(
What, like "Moderator"? :innocent:

Realistically, the only way to do that is to use up more screen space, and provide two "labels" - one indicating job title, and one "fun" one.

But I feel that the signature is for the "fun" stuff anyway...


The one thing that has become surprisingly but glaringly obvious to me, is that people in general, seem to be more suspicious in nature than I ever thought and the one thing they hate, is to feel they're being lied to or cheated and I'm afraid the only way to overcome peoples natural suspiciousness and get people on your side, is to be as open and honest about the company's aims and aspirations as one can be. :)
Yeah? What are you trying to sell? :whistle: :na:

Lory
27th-February-2007, 12:12 PM
Yeah? What are you trying to sell? :whistle: :na:

Me? I'm just a regular, all round punter darling! :innocent:

CJ
27th-February-2007, 12:23 PM
Great thinking... one can never have too much granularity!!!

Caro
27th-February-2007, 12:37 PM
Is it worth an additional layer of granularity (e.g. "Ceroc teacher", "Independent DJ", etc.)? "Commercial Operator" covers a lot of ground...

:yeah: personally I think that would be nice too, for the reasons that have already been explained and also because IMOFI it bears some sort of derogative connation, like 'careful this person is likely to try and sell you some evil stuff'.

On the same subject, what's the rule (if any) for some senior members' tag line? Like when do you actually get one?
And why Beo never got his well deserved 'Dark Princess of the Geeks' one ? :whistle: :devil:

Franck
27th-February-2007, 12:42 PM
IMOFI it bears some sort of derogative connation, like 'careful this person is likely to try and sell you some evil stuff'. [/COLOR]I don't see that at all, I'm very proud of my commercial operations, and I really don't imagine any of the other Commercial Operators being ashamed of their product or status?

Caro
27th-February-2007, 12:47 PM
I don't see that at all, I'm very proud of my commercial operations, and I really don't imagine any of the other Commercial Operators being ashamed of their product or status?

oh I know, I did say it was all 'in my own feverered imagination', I don't expect most people to live in my own little (French) world... :wink:


PS: are you not going to explain about senior members' tag lines then :whistle: ?

DJ Andy
27th-February-2007, 12:58 PM
No, the Commercial Operator tag applies to anyone who sells dance services.
If we have forgotten anyone, just let one of the moderators know!

Sorry - wasn't entirely clear about this but was wondering.

Would a Moderator kindly amend my tag line to 'Commercial Operator' please.

Thanks

Andy

Dance Demon
27th-February-2007, 02:06 PM
But, on the other hand, I have slight reservations about the labelling too... I hate the thought of people 'only' being seen in their title role and not to be given a chance to express their 'true' feelings, without being prejudged. :(


Hmm...interesting point Lory. When I was a commercial operator AND a Ceroc DJ, I was only ever labelled as a Ceroc DJ, and commercial operator was never mentioned......but when I stopped DJing for Ceroc Scotland, I automatically became a commercial operator. It's only a label though, so why worry eh:wink:

jive_me
27th-February-2007, 02:10 PM
Forgive my stupidity :flower: Do you have to work for Ceroc to have one of these tags or does Commercial Operator cover all franchises?

xXx:flower:

Franck
27th-February-2007, 02:11 PM
Hmm...interesting point Lory. When I was a commercial operator AND a Ceroc DJ, I was only ever labelled as a Ceroc DJ, and commercial operator was never mentioned......but when I stopped DJing for Ceroc Scotland, I automatically became a commercial operator. It's only a label though, so why worry eh:wink:When you started DJ-ing for Ceroc, you specifically asked to be re-named Ceroc DJ. This was accurate then. When you stopped, you were still a Commercial operator so the most accurate tag was applied.
If the Commercial Cap fits...

Dreadful Scathe
27th-February-2007, 02:12 PM
Hmm...interesting point Lory. When I was a commercial operator AND a Ceroc DJ, I was only ever labelled as a Ceroc DJ, and commercial operator was never mentioned......but when I stopped DJing for Ceroc Scotland, I automatically became a commercial operator. It's only a label though, so why worry eh:wink:
better than "Tosser" , think yourself lucky :)

CJ
27th-February-2007, 02:13 PM
If the Commercial Cap fits...

Is that like an industrial cap?!?:confused: Used by hookers, etc?!?!?!?:rolleyes: :D

Dance Demon
27th-February-2007, 02:13 PM
When you started DJ-ing for Ceroc, you specifically asked to be re-named Ceroc DJ. This was accurate then. When you stopped, you were still a Commercial operator so the most accurate tag was applied.
If the Commercial Cap fits...

It fitted ok when I was a Ceroc DJ too...it just got covered by the big orange & black one...

Franck
27th-February-2007, 02:13 PM
Forgive my stupidity :flower: Do you have to work for Ceroc to have one of these tags or does Commercial Operator cover all franchises?Nope, as I said earlier, anyone getting paid for dance services should be identified as such.

Franck
27th-February-2007, 02:15 PM
It fitted ok when I was a Ceroc DJ too...it just got covered by the big orange & black one...Yes, it did then too, that was my point. You asked to be known as a Ceroc DJ instead!

Franck
27th-February-2007, 02:16 PM
Is that like an industrial cap?!?:confused: Used by hookers, etc?!?!?!?:rolleyes: :DPerhaps you should ask Gus :whistle:

Dance Demon
27th-February-2007, 02:18 PM
Yes, it did then too, that was my point. You asked to be known as a Ceroc DJ instead!

Instead of what?...I was a registered user, or senior member before I was a Ceroc DJ........I've only been a commercial operator since I stopped DJing for you

Gus
27th-February-2007, 02:19 PM
Perhaps you should ask Gus :whistle:Pourquoi? I don't play rugby. Why should I know about hookers? :confused:

Franck
27th-February-2007, 02:26 PM
Instead of what?...I was a registered user, or senior member before I was a Ceroc DJ........I've only been a commercial operator since I stopped DJing for youIn them olden days, there was no 'commercial tag' but when they were introduced (over a year ago) you would have qualified had you not already been a 'Ceroc DJ'.
Not sure why you think it's a big deal, after all, you have advertised your commercial status often enough on this forum!

Franck
27th-February-2007, 02:26 PM
Pourquoi? I don't play rugby. Why should I know about hookers? :confused:Sorry, was just posting a (too subtle) reference to that post on the Porn thread (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/take-upstairs/11672-modern-jive-porn-prawn-film.html#post346434)

David Bailey
27th-February-2007, 02:27 PM
Instead of what?...I was a registered user, or senior member before I was a Ceroc DJ........I've only been a commercial operator since I stopped DJing for you
Good grief... :rolleyes:

At the moment, the situation is that there are a lot of people called "commercial operator", the discussion is whether this label could be refined to improve things.

So do you have any constructive suggestions to make any changes, in general?

Coz I'm monumentally uninterested in the history of individuals' label changes.

Dance Demon
27th-February-2007, 05:42 PM
Good grief... :rolleyes:

At the moment, the situation is that there are a lot of people called "commercial operator", the discussion is whether this label could be refined to improve things.

So do you have any constructive suggestions to make any changes, in general?

Coz I'm monumentally uninterested in the history of individuals' label changes.

I'm pretty uninterested in most of what you have to say most of the time....I made a reference to something, Franck responded, I responded to that etc etc etc......I don't really care what my status is......maybe "painter & decorator" would suit....I was of the belief that this was a chat forum. sorry if my chat does not interest you.


In them olden days, there was no 'commercial tag' but when they were introduced (over a year ago) you would have qualified had you not already been a 'Ceroc DJ'.
Not sure why you think it's a big deal, after all, you have advertised your commercial status often enough on this forum!

Fair point about the olden days...........but I don't advertise my commercial status any more than any one else does, or any more than I've posted to support Ceroc events.....And I don't think it's a big deal,..was just joining in the banter,...i don't really care what my status is...it's not a life or death kinda thing....commercial operator is fine by me.

ducasi
27th-February-2007, 05:56 PM
At the moment, the situation is that there are a lot of people called "commercial operator", the discussion is whether this label could be refined to improve things.
Could you enumerate all the possible combinations of "refined" tags? Remember there are DJs, Teachers, Franchisees, and general event organisers, but some people take on more than one of these roles...

Now tell me that "Independent MJ Teacher and DJ" doesn't sound more like an advert than a simple informative tag.

Dreadful Scathe
27th-February-2007, 06:01 PM
I quite like the idea of a "Chewin' the fat" style "Good Guy" or "Wank" label. Or at least I would if I thought I was going to get the former. :)

CJ
27th-February-2007, 06:03 PM
Now tell me that "Independent MJ Teacher and DJ" doesn't sound more like an advert than a simple informative tag.

"Independent MJ Teacher and DJ who is witty, informative, specialises in Musicality and Style workshops and is excellent at reading a room" might be...

Dance Demon
27th-February-2007, 06:05 PM
"Independent MJ Teacher and DJ who is witty, informative, specialises in Musicality and Style workshops and is excellent at reading a room" might be...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ........that comment is so You.....

Gav
27th-February-2007, 06:05 PM
Just swap the word smooth for commercial?

Dreadful Scathe
27th-February-2007, 06:10 PM
Just swap the word smooth for commercial?
shurley "dodgy" :)

CJ
27th-February-2007, 06:12 PM
Just swap the word smooth for commercial?


shurley "dodgy" :)

smoothly dodgy?!!??:rofl:

Gav
27th-February-2007, 06:13 PM
shurley "dodgy" :)

or just Shirley?

Brian Doolan
27th-February-2007, 06:27 PM
Why do you all want labels anyway, is anybody interested, is it to suit your egos or something?

If you absolutely MUST have labels how about:

Forum hijacker
Member of the clique
King or Queen of the off thread posts

I'm sure you can all think of something equally fitting but my suggested label would be Ceroc dancer that way the forum may revert to a Ceroc dance related discussion forum (dance, music, style, technique etc.) instead of its present anything goes form.

drathzel
27th-February-2007, 06:29 PM
i do think "ceroc franchisee" or "independant owner" etc is a good idea but then again with mine you cant really miss what i am (and proud of it:D )

Lory
27th-February-2007, 06:55 PM
Why do you all want labels anyway, is anybody interested, is it to suit your egos or something?



I don't think anyone specifically asked for the 'commercial operator' title... it was more......(from a previous post)................
for the people who don't know all the forumites and what involvement, if any, they have in MJ, then I do believe it helps to give some perspective on their posts, knowing what angle they're coming from.

David Bailey
27th-February-2007, 07:26 PM
I'm pretty uninterested in most of what you have to say most of the time....
Me too :)
If you find me saying anything interesting, please let me know.

Dreadful Scathe
27th-February-2007, 07:33 PM
Me too :)
If you find me saying anything interesting, please let me know.
it'll be in the papers Im sure :)

David Bailey
27th-February-2007, 07:48 PM
Why do you all want labels anyway, is anybody interested, is it to suit your egos or something?
No label is enough to justice to MY EGO. "Supreme Being of the Universe" would be the absolute minimum I'd want.

Seriously, the reason is to improve poster credibility. I could go into a big Information-Architecture-related spiel about why credibility is important in an online forum, if you'd like?


I'm sure you can all think of something equally fitting but my suggested label would be Ceroc dancer that way the forum may revert to a Ceroc dance related discussion forum (dance, music, style, technique etc.) instead of its present anything goes form.
Well, you could always, you know, start a dance-related thread. I'd even rep you for it :)

David Bailey
27th-February-2007, 07:51 PM
Could you enumerate all the possible combinations of "refined" tags? .
Oooh... how about:

Ceroc Franchisee
Ceroc Teacher
Ceroc DJ
Ceroc Crew
Independent Franchisee
Independent Teacher
Independent DJ
Independent Crew


The list just came to me... :whistle:

ducasi
27th-February-2007, 08:12 PM
Independent Franchisee?

Interesting concept....

Lynn
27th-February-2007, 08:17 PM
Independent Franchisee?

Interesting concept....Presumably meaning 'Independent' of Ceroc, not of the organisation they hold a franchise for. Otherwise the name of the company would be part of their tag and might be considered advertising.

Dreadful Scathe
27th-February-2007, 08:20 PM
Independent Franchisee?

Interesting concept....


I'm pretty sure other dance companies do franchising too, Ceroc don't own that rights to THAT (yet) :)

Brian Doolan
28th-February-2007, 01:33 AM
No label is enough to justice to MY EGO. "Supreme Being of the Universe" would be the absolute minimum I'd want.

Seriously, the reason is to improve poster credibility. I could go into a big Information-Architecture-related spiel about why credibility is important in an online forum, if you'd like?

No thanks, I'm not in the least bit interested in being bored rigid!



Well, you could always, you know, start a dance-related thread. I'd even rep you for it :)

I already did (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/chit-chat/10606-what-music-you-listening-right-now.html), a while back and I've download lots of good albums and music tracks as a result of input from the forum DJs and dancers, I was dancing to the superb Alex Gaudino's Destination Calabria tonight thanks to clevedonboy, not at a Ceroc event, I must add.

That kind of sharing of information is what I thought a dance related forum was all about, not the trivia often found on this one.

David Bailey
28th-February-2007, 08:45 AM
No thanks, I'm not in the least bit interested in being bored rigid!
No problem - if you're not interested, then I suggest that you take my word for it, as this is something I have experience and training in.

So, given that in an online community, credibility is important, the proposed refining of these labels is a method of enhancing credibility of posters by "fleshing out" their backgrounds a little.

As for "dance discussions":

I already did (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/chit-chat/10606-what-music-you-listening-right-now.html), a while back and I've download lots of good albums and music tracks as a result of input from the forum DJs and dancers,
And a very nice thread it is too :clap: - but that was 3 months ago :sad:


That kind of sharing of information is what I thought a dance related forum was all about, not the trivia often found on this one.
Most forums have some banter and trivia - even MJDA has the occasional non-dance post - so I think that's just an inherent part of any community.

Dreadful Scathe
28th-February-2007, 10:05 AM
Most forums have some banter and trivia - even MJDA has the occasional non-dance post - so I think that's just an inherent part of any community.

The vast majority of forums Ive been on deviate from the topic nearly every second post. Perhaps an exaggeration, but really this forum is sheer quality in comparison. It has clearly marked areas, that more or less stay on topic. The "trivia" areas keep the whole thing varied and people can pick and choose what they post/read without having to wade through loads of irrelevant nonsense. There are defined areas for that. :) What more can we ask for?

David Bailey
28th-February-2007, 10:14 AM
What more can we ask for?
Some feedback on my wonderful proposed labelling system? :innocent:

Dreadful Scathe
28th-February-2007, 10:21 AM
Some feedback on my wonderful proposed labelling system? :innocent:
oh yeah that. Not to sound dismissive at all , but thats a rubbish idea :)

David Bailey
28th-February-2007, 10:30 AM
oh yeah that. Not to sound dismissive at all , but thats a rubbish idea :)
Yeah?
Well, you didn't put an apostrophe in "I've" in your previous post.
So there. :na:

Lory
28th-February-2007, 10:32 AM
Why do you all want labels anyway, is anybody interested, is it to suit your egos or something?


OK, I wonder if this little execise will make my point clearer?

Joe Bloggs - Member...

I love all the music i've come across at Ceroc events! The Ceroc Dj's really know their stuff! They're much better than any independent Dj I've come across!

Joe Bloggs - Ceroc Dj ...

I love all the music i've come across at Ceroc events! The Ceroc Dj's really know their stuff! They're much better than any independent Dj I've come across!



I already did, a while back and I've download lots of good albums and music tracks as a result of input from the forum DJs and dancers, I was dancing to the superb Alex Gaudino's Destination Calabria tonight thanks to clevedonboy, not at a Ceroc event, I must add.

That kind of sharing of information is what I thought a dance related forum was all about, not the trivia often found on this one.
So, who, in you opinion is to blame, for the forum not having the threads and info you require more of?


And what constructive idea's can you suggest to rectify this situation?

David Bailey
28th-February-2007, 11:09 AM
OK, I wonder if this little execise will make my point clearer?
Joe Bloggs - Member...
I love all the music i've come across at Ceroc events! The Ceroc Dj's really know their stuff! They're much better than any independent Dj I've come across!

Joe Bloggs - Ceroc Dj ...
I love all the music i've come across at Ceroc events! The Ceroc Dj's really know their stuff! They're much better than any independent Dj I've come across!

Excellent example :clap: - damn, why didn't I do it that way... :tears:

Another example, from a positive perspective:


John Smith - Member...
I think the Ceroc music last night was great, but I'd have liked to have heard a bit more {XXX genre}, that seemed to suit the mood better.

John Smith - Ceroc DJ ...
I think the Ceroc music last night was great, but I'd have liked to have heard a bit more {XXX genre}, that seemed to suit the mood better.


So, who, in you opinion is to blame, for the forum not having the threads and info you require more of?
Duh - obviously it's our fault for not being inspiring enough.