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Brian Doolan
14th-January-2007, 11:49 PM
You see it in the world of websites all the time - people asking "How can I hide my precious and valuable HTML code so that Evil Plagiarists don't steal my brilliant ideas?". The answer of course is "you can't, and if you're dumb enough to ask, you're too dumb to be worth stealing from"... :whistle:


Seriously wrong and quite dumb to suggest it http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/3/dummhead.gif

See:
Encrypt HTML Pro v2.7 (http://www.mtopsoft.com/download/enchp.zip)

ducasi
15th-January-2007, 10:27 AM
Seriously wrong and quite dumb to suggest it

See:
Encrypt HTML Pro v2.7 (http://www.mtopsoft.com/download/enchp.zip)
This program claims to "encrypt HTML source code, make it impossible for people to read."

Sorry, not possible – for a web browser to be able to render the HTML, it must first decrypt it using some javascript. If the browser can decrypt the encrypted HTML using javascript – so can you!

Brian Doolan
22nd-January-2007, 05:30 PM
This program claims to "encrypt HTML source code, make it impossible for people to read."

Sorry, not possible – for a web browser to be able to render the HTML, it must first decrypt it using some javascript. If the browser can decrypt the encrypted HTML using javascript – so can you!


If you, or anybody else you know, can decrypt javascript encoded html then you or them are javascript experts who are adept at the language and therefore don't need to plagiarise other people's work - that's what DJ's original topic suggested.

If you wish I can point you to an encrypted web site of my own and challenge you to give me the html code of the index page:whistle:

ducasi
24th-January-2007, 10:33 PM
If you, or anybody else you know, can decrypt javascript encoded html then you or them are javascript experts who are adept at the language and therefore don't need to plagiarise other people's work - that's what DJ's original topic suggested.

If you wish I can point you to an encrypted web site of my own and challenge you to give me the html code of the index page:whistle:
I'm pretty poor at javascript, but using a simple technique I was able to view the source code of the HTML Encrypt Pro demo page here (http://www.mtopsoft.com/encryptpro/example1.htm)...

Please, point me at a web site and I'll give it a go... :)

LMC
29th-January-2007, 10:15 PM
Even though I last used HTML 2.0 (or thereabouts) and struggle with CSS and any more than the absolute most basic Javascript I also managed to see the source. I didn't understand any of it mind.

<IE 7 has an "Edit with Notepad" option>

ducasi
29th-January-2007, 10:50 PM
Even though I last used HTML 2.0 (or thereabouts) and struggle with CSS and any more than the absolute most basic Javascript I also managed to see the source. I didn't understand any of it mind.
"Seeing" the source is easy – seeing it in a way you can understand it, or re-use parts of it, when it is encrypted in this way is tricky. But possible...

Brian has told me he will post a link to a page for me to decrypt. Perhaps a good test would be to put a comment in the code for me to find.

(The point of this exercise is to prove DRM and other "content protection", is ultimately flawed.)

Lee Bartholomew
29th-January-2007, 11:19 PM
Can we all have a go when Brian posts this link? Will be a good test for his unbreakable encryption.

MartinHarper
29th-January-2007, 11:22 PM
I want to one-up ducasi. I think I can break the "encryption" using only the following keys: Alt, Ctrl, Tab, A, C, and V.

ducasi
29th-January-2007, 11:29 PM
I want to one-up ducasi. I think I can break the "encryption" using only the following keys: Alt, Ctrl, Tab, A, C, and V.
Should be easy if you have the right browser and plug-in – I believe there's a Firefox plug-in which will do the "decryption" for you.

Dreadful Scathe
29th-January-2007, 11:51 PM
If you, or anybody else you know, can decrypt javascript encoded html then you or them are javascript experts who are adept at the language and therefore don't need to plagiarise other people's work -

Rubbish. If someone can write something to allow others to encrypt something that has to be readable in a standard way - certainly someone, if they care, can write a program to decrypt it for others to use too. However, its not an accident that no decent website on earth will even bother trying to encrypt HTML :)

Brian Doolan
30th-January-2007, 01:18 AM
Can we all have a go when Brian posts this link? Will be a good test for his unbreakable encryption.

Whoa! it's not my encryption program, I only use it, to protect sites I develop against plagiarists stealing work and images that can take days or even weeks to produce.

I'll fire a link up to a protected site tomorrow afternoon and see how you all get on.
By the way, simply viewing the source code is not the challenge here, decrypting it and using techniques and graphics within the code is the point of it.

Have fun and NO, I'm not giving hints or clues to make it easier for you all to make me eat my original words :D

MartinHarper
30th-January-2007, 10:01 AM
I think we should put a little side-bet on the matter to make it interesting.

straycat
30th-January-2007, 10:07 AM
I think we should put a little side-bet on the matter to make it interesting.

So what do you propose?

ducasi
30th-January-2007, 10:10 AM
Whoa! it's not my encryption program, I only use it, to protect sites I develop against plagiarists stealing work and images that can take days or even weeks to produce.
Not sure how encrypting HTML can protect images which are trivial to steal. :confused:

Lee Bartholomew
30th-January-2007, 10:13 AM
Not sure how encrypting HTML can protect images which are trivial to steal. :confused:

One way that comes to mind straight away is using the print screen key and just cropping the image. lol

ducasi
30th-January-2007, 10:15 AM
Should be easy if you have the right browser and plug-in – I believe there's a Firefox plug-in which will do the "decryption" for you.
:yeah:

The first plug-in offered to me in the mozilla.com add-ons page for Firefox was "Web Developer". This plug-in has a "View Generated Source" menu option which displayed the un-encrypted source of the demo page.

Too easy.

straycat
30th-January-2007, 10:22 AM
:yeah:

The first plug-in offered to me in the mozilla.com add-ons page for Firefox was "Web Developer". This plug-in has a "View Generated Source" menu option which displayed the un-encrypted source of the demo page.


On a side-note, Web Developer's an absolute godsend of a plugin - I've been using it for a long time now, and it's only eclipsed by Firebug in its usefulness.

(Firebug rules them all, in the unlikely event you didn't know that :wink: )

David Bailey
30th-January-2007, 10:33 AM
I'm not really a geek, I just pretend occasionally... but surely HTML has to be interpreted by the PC (ie, decrypted) to actually work? Or am I missing some cunning development?

And if the HTML is encrypted, doesn't that cause problems with search engine optimisation, as search engines like nice clean HTML?

Ah, hold on - looking at the FAQ, I see:


Will Encrypt HTML Pro affects my search engine ranking?

If you want your search engine ranking unaffected, please select "Only encrypt partial section" or "Do not encrypt html source code" in Step 2. Otherwise, the search engine can't cache your page correctly. The "Encrypt all links" will also affect the search engine: Search engine spiders can't index other web pages linked by this page.
So that answers that then... :rolleyes:

MartinHarper
30th-January-2007, 10:45 AM
Don't even need a plugin: pasting from Firefox into Visual Studio achieves the same thing.


So what do you propose?

How about, if we break his "encryption" in less than an hour, he stops using "Encrypt HTML Pro"?

Beowulf
30th-January-2007, 10:56 AM
I never encrypt or otherwise obfuscate my HTML source. in fact the clearer I make it then the less time it takes to load.

I can't stop people taking pics off my sites. I mean in Firefox it's a case of right clicking and "save image as.." You can do some javascript things to disable right click but I find those annoying and again they all add to the size of the HTML code needing to be downloaded (admittedly with most people having broadband this is not so much an issue these days.. but it's still no need to be lazy :wink:)

I can stop people linking to my images and using my bandwidth with a simple .htaccess file. and if there's any "clever" code etc I want to keep to myself I use either PHP or make the website in Flash.. but even then there's tools to rip flash animations etc from the web.

I'm not really that bothered these days. I used to spend hours coming up with more and more complicated ways to protect my windows software applications. Hardware dongles, software dongles, reg codes etc etc. These days I spend more time developing the software and less time worrying about preventing it being copied. Same goes for my websites.

If somebody wants something enough there's little way of stopping them.. all you can do is slow them down at the expense of you spending more time on security.

Lee Bartholomew
30th-January-2007, 11:09 AM
{snip}

It's true. Microsoft has thrown How much money at protecting Vista from being copied?

There are cracked versions of it out there already and it's not even in the shops yet!!!!!

I'll let you all know what it's like later when I throw it on a test machine :wink:

Dreadful Scathe
30th-January-2007, 11:09 AM
On a side-note, Web Developer's an absolute godsend of a plugin - I've been using it for a long time now, and it's only eclipsed by Firebug in its usefulness.

(Firebug rules them all, in the unlikely event you didn't know that :wink: )
agreed - use them both. Firebug beta 1 is fantastic - saves a lot of time to say the least :)

Dreadful Scathe
30th-January-2007, 11:25 AM
I'm not really a geek, I just pretend occasionally... but surely HTML has to be interpreted by the PC (ie, decrypted) to actually work? Or am I missing some cunning development?

And if the HTML is encrypted, doesn't that cause problems with search engine optimisation, as search engines like nice clean HTML?


Well done G33k :) Yes HTML has to be read by a browser - which means hiding it from humans makes it more complicated and slower for the browser, and as MH says - its pointless, because many programs/plugins will produce something readable for you just as the browser itself does. Also the search engines do not like code they cant read. Also, also, developers usually realise the futility of the whole thing and dont bother :)

Ive occasionaly come across web pages that try and disable what i can do with my own browser, but they are just annoyances - e.g. if you are in the habit of right clicking to open a link in a new tab, no right click pop-ups are extremely annoying - opera tends to ignore the affect anyway, but you still get the pop-up.

straycat
30th-January-2007, 01:42 PM
agreed - use them both. Firebug beta 1 is fantastic - saves a lot of time to say the least :)

Version 1 (full) is out now :clap:

David Bailey
30th-January-2007, 01:49 PM
So where's this super-encrypted page then?

I did have a look at the encrypt demo page, and even I managed to disprove a couple of point (CTRL+A to select text, for example) - so I'm not convinced it'll be that difficult to crack.

Beowulf
30th-January-2007, 01:52 PM
Version 1 (full) is out now :clap:

Firebug and HTML-KIT (http://www.chami.com/html-kit/) are my friends :) I love getting my hands "dirty" with the HTML. hate WYSIWYG editors.

straycat
30th-January-2007, 01:55 PM
By the way, simply viewing the source code is not the challenge here, decrypting it and using techniques and graphics within the code is the point of it.


So ... presumably, if we copy one or more pages and put it (them) live (briefly, just for you to see) as unencrypted html, with all graphics included, this would prove the point to your satisfaction? :devil:

straycat
30th-January-2007, 01:57 PM
This Space For Rent

How much?

ducasi
30th-January-2007, 01:59 PM
Yes HTML has to be read by a browser - which means hiding it from humans makes it more complicated and slower for the browser, and as MH says - its pointless,[...]
There is at least one good reason for encrypting parts of your web site – you can hide content, such as email addresses, from robots and the like...

Beowulf
30th-January-2007, 02:06 PM
This Space For Rent


How much?

Well, will settle for the price of a dance class every week ;) Prime advertising real estate.. seen by Millio..erm.. Thou.. erm.. Hundr.. Lots of people everyday ;)

straycat
30th-January-2007, 02:13 PM
Well, will settle for the price of a dance class every week ;) Prime advertising real estate.. seen by Millio..erm.. Thou.. erm.. Hundr.. Lots of people everyday ;)

How about a free weekly ticket to our Thursday night classes? Contingent on you maintaining your current posting rate, of course ;)

Brian Doolan
31st-January-2007, 12:17 AM
Seriously wrong and quite dumb to suggest it http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/3/dummhead.gif

See:
Encrypt HTML Pro v2.7 (http://www.mtopsoft.com/download/enchp.zip)


OK, after downloading and trying out Firebug, I'm ready to post the link:

Anti-fraud (http://www.anti-fraud.co.uk)

but first, let me humbly apologise to David James for suggesting he was a dummhead, to those who know him, he may well be a dummhead :D but not in this instance and I was most definitely wrong to suggest it :blush:

To Duncan, yes you were quite correct in your assertions but I don't think it is as easy as you implied, it took me at least 3 minutes to get one of the gifs from the site after viewing the source with Firebug (damn that software!) and I knew where to look.:respect:


However a challenge still remains.

See how long it takes to reply to this post inserting the gif of the UV Licence from the home page in your reply, a pint of finest ale to the first successful post (if I get to see him/her :whistle:)


Anyone know where there's a bakery in Glasgow where I can buy a large humble pie? There's one in Byres Road but their pies aren't big enough :sick:

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 12:26 AM
This one?

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 12:28 AM
Lol. took 15 seconds.



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<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Identify fraud and
theft is increasing at an alarming rate. With fraud related costs to
UK businesses totalling billions a year, businesses need to know who
their customers are more than ever before. Add to this the regulatory
requirements for compliance with the latest anti-money laundering guidelines
and the need for identity verification becomes critical.<br>
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money laundering. This applies to both new applications and to <b>existing
customers</b> who were taken on before the Money Laundering Regulation
came into force in 1994. <br>
Legal practices are at risk of being exploited by criminals to hold
or convert the proceeds of their crimes. The consequences of being implicated
in money laundering, <b>even inadvertently</b>, can be very serious.
In addition to possible legal and regulatory sanctions, solicitors risk
severe damage to reputation if a case of money laundering leads to adverse
publicity.</span></font></p>
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the identity of an individual or business is crucial in today's competitive
environment, you need to be able to achieve this quickly, reliably,
consistently, and cost effectively.</font></p>
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common forms of identity verification used by fraudsters is the UK driving
licence which has been readilly accepted by financial institutions,
brokers and lawyers for many years. <i><br>
The UK photo driving licence is a simple document to reproduce on a
home PC system.</i><br>
People believe the security in the licence is the gold translucent DVLA
text that runs over the surface of the licence. Most people DO NOT know
that the main security and anti-fraud mechanism in the licence is Ultra
Violet images over the surface of the licence, which are invisible to
the naked eye but can be easily detected by holding the licence under
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Move your mouse over the images and you will see yellow images of the
Royal Crown on the photo licence and you will see the green text flouresce
on the counterpart and a scatter of small blue &amp; green lines appear
which is representative of the UV security marking as seen on genuine
licences, these images are invisible to the naked eye and can only be
seen when subjected to an Ultra Violet light source.</font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">These images represent
a computer generated counterfiet UK driving licence and counterpart
as viewed under UV light. <br>
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Move your mouse over the licence and you will see no change in the images,
which is representative of counterfiet licences as viewed under UV light.<br>
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Ultra Violet printing is a specialised print process that, to our knowledge,
cannot be replicated using home PC systems. If a licence does not flouresce
when subjected to an Ultra Violet light source, that licence is almost
certainly counterfiet.</font></p>
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Brian Doolan
31st-January-2007, 12:47 AM
This one?


Ah, you were so nearly there.

The UV licence, not the counterfeit one

http://www.anti-fraud.co.uk/images/Licenceuv.gif7850

OK, I owe you a pint and well done :respect: but I still believe encryption protects against the majority of web plagiarists.

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 12:47 AM
Ah, you were so nearly there.

The UV licence, not the counterfeit one

http://www.anti-fraud.co.uk/images/Licenceuv.gif7850

OK, I owe you a pint and well done :respect: but I still believe encryption protects against the majority of web plagiarists.

OK hold on


{edit a few seconds later}
there we go.....

Ah wont let me post attachment.

Want to know how its done?

MartinHarper
31st-January-2007, 12:50 AM
See how long it takes to reply to this post inserting the gif of the UV Licence from the home page in your reply

The image woodface posted is easy enough to obtain in Firefox. Menu -> Tools -> Page Info -> "Media" tab -> "Save As..."

The version under UV required me to bother "decrypting" the page (see above), but is available here:
http://lcproms.co.uk/images/Licenceuv.gif

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 12:57 AM
Didn't do it that way MH. That would have been easier though. lol

Anyone else get the source?

Brian Doolan
31st-January-2007, 01:02 AM
The image woodface posted is easy enough to obtain in Firefox. Menu -> Tools -> Page Info -> "Media" tab -> "Save As..."

The version under UV required me to bother "decrypting" the page (see above), but is available here:
http://lcproms.co.uk/images/Licenceuv.gif

Nah, not good enough :D

Woodface is by far the winner, you've only posted a link to the image, his post was an actual image but still the WRONG ONE :devil:

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 01:04 AM
Nah, not good enough :D

Woodface is by far the winner, you've only posted a link to the image, his post was an actual image but still the WRONG ONE :devil:

Here we go. lol

Had to rename it. wouldn;t let me post it on forum first time around. Very very easy.

MartinHarper
31st-January-2007, 01:14 AM
Rather than spending time and money "encrypting" your site against plagiarists, why not spend time and money on a spell-checker?
(eg, "counterfeit", not "counterfiet")

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 01:17 AM
lol

HTML encrypt is a waste of money. My 6 year old daughter could have got them images and the code. :waycool::waycool:

Brian Doolan
31st-January-2007, 01:20 AM
Here we go. lol

Had to rename it. wouldn;t let me post it on forum first time around. Very very easy.

I was just off to bed but I think I'll look for a wee hole I can crawl in to, did you really need to rub it in with Very, very easy :sick:

good night folks and apologies again to DJ

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 01:21 AM
I was just off to bed but I think I'll look for a wee hole I can crawl in to, did you really need to rub it in with Very, very easy :sick:

good night folks and apologies again to DJ

Could have said very, very, very easy but I had to move the mouse to much to warrant that. :wink:

Brian Doolan
31st-January-2007, 01:24 AM
Rather than spending time and money "encrypting" your site against plagiarists, why not spend time and money on a spell-checker?
(eg, "counterfeit", not "counterfiet")

Oh c'mon, that was a typo

Firefox picked it up, just as it has now but in my haste I didn't notice it.

MartinHarper
31st-January-2007, 01:26 AM
I was just off to bed but I think I'll look for a wee hole I can crawl in to

Eh, I wouldn't worry. I got called at 7:30 today because of a severe issue with the webpages I write and support for a living, so I can't really diss anyone else's efforts this week.
(next week, on the other hand...)

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 01:34 AM
Been coding a site for the last three weeks only to throw most of it away and start again today:tears:


www.pinupvintage.co.uk

ducasi
31st-January-2007, 01:36 AM
Drat! Missed all the fun! :(

Getting the "UV" image was frankly trivial for me – I just dragged it onto my desktop from my browser. No tricks at all.

Getting the non-UV image meant I had to open my browser's "activity window" which lists all the files loaded on each open page. Double-clicking the non-uv file opened it in a new window which I could then drag... (Oops! Just realised I could scroll down the page and drag it from there! D'oh! :rolleyes:)

I haven't bothered revealing the unencrypted source, but I think we've shown it's pretty straight-forward.

Anyway, the original point of this exercise wasn't to prove Brian wrong, it was to prove that digital rights management involving encrypted media is fundamentally flawed when the media needs to be decrypted to be listened to or viewed.

Dreadful Scathe
31st-January-2007, 02:04 AM
Lol. took 15 seconds.

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get a grip woodface - that last line would have been good enough. :)

Anway, Took me 3 seconds to get the image , beating your 15 (ooooh) ;) In Firefox ; Web Developer Toolbar > Images > View Image Information > Right click > save as

I didn't realise Brian meant the picture with the UV on it until he said but that didn't take much longer :

In Firefox ; Web Dev Toolbar again > View Generated Source > did find for licence.gif (the name of the image i just saved) > Noticed mouseover code was right above image itself > copied name of image > pasted images/licenceuv.gif into browser address bar > right click, save as

In Opera ; Drag drop onto desktop - 1 second :)

Its futile really.

Lee Bartholomew
31st-January-2007, 11:00 AM
get a grip woodface - that last line would have been good enough. :)

Anway, Took me 3 seconds to get the image , beating your 15 (ooooh) ;) In Firefox ; Web Developer Toolbar > Images > View Image Information > Right click > save as

I didn't realise Brian meant the picture with the UV on it until he said but that didn't take much longer :

In Firefox ; Web Dev Toolbar again > View Generated Source > did find for licence.gif (the name of the image i just saved) > Noticed mouseover code was right above image itself > copied name of image > pasted images/licenceuv.gif into browser address bar > right click, save as

In Opera ; Drag drop onto desktop - 1 second :)

Its futile really.


Lol. The 15 seconds was to get the images and the code.

Did think about going and editing out loads of the lines so the post was shorter but I was tired.

For those who want to know how I done it.....


File -> Save Page

Open Dreamweaver -> open saved page :D:D:D

Dreadful Scathe
31st-January-2007, 09:41 PM
Lol. The 15 seconds was to get the images and the code.

I realise that , the source is always there and hardly worth mentioning ;) I was only joking about the time :)

I think we can all agree encrypting web pages is a futile gesture. If all we wanted were the images with and without UV - both Safari and Opera support drag and drop of images. :)

David Bailey
1st-February-2007, 10:55 AM
Excellent, thanks guys - I was getting a bit concerned there for a minute that some Clever New Technique had arisen since I last played with HTML a few years back, but it sounds like it's still the same old smoke-and-mirrors stuff. Whew. :)

Lee Bartholomew
1st-February-2007, 11:02 AM
The only way you can hide text etc is by using a server side script but you will always have HTML output to the users browser.

HTML encrpt works by just throwing a bit of java script in to the top of the page and validating it with a file on the server. The code is always there in the browser, it's just if you go top view source you can't see it. Just save the page and then open it in Dreamweaver or notepad etc and Vola, code and images in a folder.

killingtime
7th-February-2007, 03:15 PM
Rather than spending time and money "encrypting" your site against plagiarists

I use the tried and trusted method of insuring there is nothing on my site that anyone wants to copy thereby insuring no one will bother plagiarising it :D.

I think as a MMO developer said "the client is in the hands of the enemy". That's about a game where they have control over the code executed on the client's machine. Still people hacked in scripted levellers and such into the game. There is little you can do to stop someone copying HTML and images if they want to. All you can do is legally defend your IP if it reappears.

JamesGeary
9th-February-2007, 02:04 PM
people asking "How can I hide my precious and valuable HTML code so that Evil Plagiarists don't steal my brilliant ideas?"

Thats easy. Do it in Word for Windows and save it as HTML. The resultant code will be completely useless to anyone.

Lee Bartholomew
9th-February-2007, 02:23 PM
The only way I can think of doing it is by writing your own browser which recognises certain encrypted sites and then receives an encrepted code which is unscrabled within the browser but not displayed.

Of course within a day or two there would be some hack out there.

Pictures are not so easy. As long as you can screen capture then you can get a picture.

killingtime
9th-February-2007, 04:30 PM
The only way I can think of doing it is by writing your own browser which recognises certain encrypted sites and then receives an encrepted code which is unscrabled within the browser but not displayed.

Sure. But surely that isn't really a useful HTML anymore. If people need your browser to get it (which presumably stops copy and paste etc.) then you might as well ditch the HTML requirement and just send whatever you like.

Google Talk has an "off-the record" function that informs your server and the other person's server and client not to save the conversations. Of course most other Jabber clients have no idea about what this custom request is so go on to save it anyway. Failing that they can always just copy and paste what was said to an email and mail it to everyone anyway. It's not really something you should use if you don't trust the other party to keep anything said private. Then again I trust everyone on my contact list enough that that isn't a problem.

ducasi
9th-February-2007, 06:26 PM
The only way I can think of doing it is by writing your own browser which recognises certain encrypted sites and then receives an encrepted code which is unscrabled within the browser but not displayed.
I don't know if they still support it, but at least some earlier versions of Internet Explorer supported an encrypted/compiled form of HTML that only it understood.

Another bright idea by Microsoft.